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GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

Roger Squire

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by Roger Squire » Fri, 07 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I'm having an argument with NFS5 players about the validity of "offline"
tournaments where you upload your best times to a website, vs. something
like EARacing's servers where its recorded automatically.

I'm very big on offline tournaments, but these people are arguing the
possibility of cheating as a reason not to participate in them.

Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your
times, is cheating a problem there?  I realize this is an insulting question
but I am curious.

rms

ymenar

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by ymenar » Fri, 07 Jul 2000 04:00:00


We just go by pure sportsmanship.  A very, very big majority of GPL drivers
are Gentlemen, so we trust each other.  There is just no need to cheat to
99.999999% of the people.

This is not N3 with punks, lamers and kids who need attention.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Piotr O.

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by Piotr O. » Fri, 07 Jul 2000 04:00:00



Gpl community is 99% Gentelmans about 18-60 yeras old most of 25+ ( not like
NFS 12-16 )
So noone here wants to cheat other Gentelmans. Besides it would be cheating
yourself cause Gpl Rank is to check how fast you are also for yourself.

Gpl rank -44,45
Richie ( Piotr O. )

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Dan Leac

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by Dan Leac » Fri, 07 Jul 2000 04:00:00

As a gpl rank moderator I must say its fairly easy to spot "unlikely"
times.Most of these are caused by warps or clock smashes.As has been said
before the gpl community is VERY fair and I cant really see anyone
manufacturing a whole set(and thats what they'd have to do) of times in
there player.ini. If this did happen I think we'd pick up on it quite
quickly..
    Cheers   Dan Leach         gplrank  -49.22   :-)

> I'm having an argument with NFS5 players about the validity of "offline"
> tournaments where you upload your best times to a website, vs. something
> like EARacing's servers where its recorded automatically.

> I'm very big on offline tournaments, but these people are arguing the
> possibility of cheating as a reason not to participate in them.

> Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your
> times, is cheating a problem there?  I realize this is an insulting
question
> but I am curious.

> rms


Daniel Froi

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by Daniel Froi » Fri, 07 Jul 2000 04:00:00



> > Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your
> > times, is cheating a problem there?

> We just go by pure sportsmanship.  A very, very big majority of GPL drivers
> are Gentlemen, so we trust each other.  There is just no need to cheat to
> 99.999999% of the people.

> This is not N3 with punks, lamers and kids who need attention.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.WeRace.net
> -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

It is possible to cheat, I think, but that would defeat the whole purpose of
GPLRank: to measure your skill level against that of others. I, for one, have
not posted my times in GPLRank because I have a 1:28:79 at Monza done with
railriding; it`s not a fair time, and surely not representative of my skills
(low 1:30`s is the best I can get there).

BTW, if anyone knows how to get rid of that particular time for that track,
please tell me how. I`ve tried to delete that particular record, and, sure
enough, it disappears from the Best Laps screen, but the record on the track
still satnds, it doesn`t disappear. I would like to know 2 things:

1-Will the track record affect the data for GPLRank, or does it uses only the
Best Laps info?
2-If it does affect the data, how can I get rid of it?

Thanks in advance.

Daniel Fris

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rik anthra

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by rik anthra » Fri, 07 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Your right, it's an insulting question.


> I'm having an argument with NFS5 players about the validity of "offline"
> tournaments where you upload your best times to a website, vs. something
> like EARacing's servers where its recorded automatically.

> I'm very big on offline tournaments, but these people are arguing the
> possibility of cheating as a reason not to participate in them.

> Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your
> times, is cheating a problem there?  I realize this is an insulting
question
> but I am curious.

> rms


Olav K. Malm

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by Olav K. Malm » Fri, 07 Jul 2000 04:00:00


> BTW, if anyone knows how to get rid of that particular time for that track,
> please tell me how. I`ve tried to delete that particular record, and, sure
> enough, it disappears from the Best Laps screen, but the record on the track
> still satnds

I would think that if you have deleted the time from your player.ini
file it will not affect your GPL Rank handicap, since the trackrecord
is located somewhere else.

--
Olav K. Malmin
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Olav K. Malm

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by Olav K. Malm » Fri, 07 Jul 2000 04:00:00



> > BTW, if anyone knows how to get rid of that particular time for that track,
> > please tell me how. I`ve tried to delete that particular record, and, sure
> > enough, it disappears from the Best Laps screen, but the record on the track
> > still satnds

> I would think that if you have deleted the time from your player.ini
> file it will not affect your GPL Rank handicap, since the trackrecord
> is located somewhere else.

I just found out: Just delete the record.ini file in the track
directory and the trackrecord should be gone for good.

--
Olav K. Malmin
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Jo Helse

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by Jo Helse » Fri, 07 Jul 2000 04:00:00



>> Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your
>> times, is cheating a problem there?

>We just go by pure sportsmanship.  A very, very big majority of GPL drivers
>are Gentlemen, so we trust each other.  There is just no need to cheat to
>99.999999% of the people.

>This is not N3 with punks, lamers and kids who need attention.

Start praying that nobody introduces prizemoney or other rewards.

JoH

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ymenar

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by ymenar » Fri, 07 Jul 2000 04:00:00


or online race rankings...


--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Ruud van Ga

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by Ruud van Ga » Fri, 07 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:51:54 +0100, Daniel Frois

...

Nope. Uses "best laps".

Best laps are in your player.ini; look at the file; 2 numbers are
used; the time (in seconds) when the record was done, and the 2nd is
the time in seconds.

The track records are stored in the track directories
(tracks\zandvort\record.ini). You can 'up' the time quite a bit, then
set a regular time, or delete the file or line altogether.
These files never make it to GPLRank, so have no influence on the
rank.

Ruud van Gaal
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Peter Ive

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by Peter Ive » Sat, 08 Jul 2000 04:00:00





>> I'm having an argument with NFS5 players about the validity of "offline"
>> tournaments where you upload your best times to a website, vs. something
>> like EARacing's servers where its recorded automatically.

>> I'm very big on offline tournaments, but these people are arguing the
>> possibility of cheating as a reason not to participate in them.

>> Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your
>> times, is cheating a problem there?  I realize this is an insulting
>question
>> but I am curious.

>Gpl community is 99% Gentelmans about 18-60 yeras old most of 25+ ( not
>like
>NFS 12-16 )
>So noone here wants to cheat other Gentelmans. Besides it would be
>cheating
>yourself cause Gpl Rank is to check how fast you are also for yourself.

Top notch old bean!  Indeed it just wouldn't be tickety boo at all.  I
wouldn't be able to face the chaps ever again.  Definitely be barred
from the club you know.  Probably have to up sticks and move to
somewhere like Scarsdale.  Smudger and Taff would disown me for sure.
No, best not go down that route old boy.
--
Squadron Leader Ivington-Smythe DFC & BAR(whatever that is)
Crai

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by Crai » Sat, 08 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I;ve been away from GPL for a while. and just getting back into it.
can somone please give me the url for the  gpl rank home page
thanks
Craig

On 8 Jul 2000 02:20:42 GMT,



><snip>
>>Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with
>>your times, is cheating a problem there?  I realize this is an
>>insulting question but I am curious.
><snip>

>To be honest, yes people could cheat in GPLRank. But as far as I know
>it doesn't happen, for several reasons:

>1) Grand Prix Legends being (regrettably) the minority interest it is,
>a lot of its players are familiar with each other's standard (eg
>through this very NG). If my handicap suddenly jumped up by 50 points,
>I don't think it would be long before someone queried it.

>2) GPLRank has moderators. They scan through times, and would notice if
>anyone posted a vast jump (eg 9:00 to 7:55 at the Ring). They could
>then email the person in question to get an answer. Which is one reason
>why I always keep a replay file of my best lap at each track.

>3) GPL, not being a short-attention-span, pick-up-and-play arcade game,
>isn't played (to any significant degree, anyway) by the sort of
>attention-seeking obnoxious 12-year-old who is likely to cheat.

>Apologies to all genuine 12-year-old GPL drivers (I know there are
>some). I'm talking about the sort of people who post messagez with lotz
>of wordz ending in zedz and use things like " way2g0 d00d" or
>"14m3r l33t" and actually think people will care...

>4) This sounds trite, I know, but the main protection against cheating
>is the honour of the players. I mean, during the course of a
>particularly frantic Novice race at Monza, I did a lap where I bounced
>off most of the barriers, and ended up with a 1:27-something. But
>that's nearly 2 seconds beyond my real capability (1:29 dead), so I
>couldn't have justified posting it. Instead, I restored my player.ini
>to what it was, and felt much happier. There's no satisfaction in
>winning by cheating - I'd love to have a negative handicap, but only if
>I can do it properly.

>--
>David. (GPLRank handicap: +30.02)
>"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
>really."
>(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

David Butte

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by David Butte » Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:00:00


<snip>
<snip>

To be honest, yes people could cheat in GPLRank. But as far as I know
it doesn't happen, for several reasons:

1) Grand Prix Legends being (regrettably) the minority interest it is,
a lot of its players are familiar with each other's standard (eg
through this very NG). If my handicap suddenly jumped up by 50 points,
I don't think it would be long before someone queried it.

2) GPLRank has moderators. They scan through times, and would notice if
anyone posted a vast jump (eg 9:00 to 7:55 at the Ring). They could
then email the person in question to get an answer. Which is one reason
why I always keep a replay file of my best lap at each track.

3) GPL, not being a short-attention-span, pick-up-and-play arcade game,
isn't played (to any significant degree, anyway) by the sort of
attention-seeking obnoxious 12-year-old who is likely to cheat.

Apologies to all genuine 12-year-old GPL drivers (I know there are
some). I'm talking about the sort of people who post messagez with lotz
of wordz ending in zedz and use things like " way2g0 d00d" or
"14m3r l33t" and actually think people will care...

4) This sounds trite, I know, but the main protection against cheating
is the honour of the players. I mean, during the course of a
particularly frantic Novice race at Monza, I did a lap where I bounced
off most of the barriers, and ended up with a 1:27-something. But
that's nearly 2 seconds beyond my real capability (1:29 dead), so I
couldn't have justified posting it. Instead, I restored my player.ini
to what it was, and felt much happier. There's no satisfaction in
winning by cheating - I'd love to have a negative handicap, but only if
I can do it properly.

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: +30.02)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Ace

GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

by Ace » Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I get the feeling you're not a squadron leader at all. Fancy not knowing
what a DFC & Bar is! I reckon your in the Navy, actually. Hang on, there was
a song about that wasn't there?
--
-Ace-
(GPLRank +4.88)

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