rec.autos.simulators

by **grubba** » Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:39:42

I titled this RASCAR so those who use the filter do not have to read my
babbling.

ANYWAY, today momma grub took MOMO back to circuit city for a refund. You
see, I stopped by circuit city on the way home to get a new hard drive and
saw the MOMO there. I couldn't resist since everyone on the board seems to
love the product. I currently have the Thrustmaster pro digital 2 wheel but
its not force feedback. I have wondered about whether FF would give me the
competitive edge here at rascar. If I could only keep up with Tim White.
Well, I brought the big momo box home in a big bag and momma saw me. I tried
to hid it but it made things worse. You see, tomorrow is valentines day.
What do you think momma thought when I came home, the day before Valentines
day, with a great big bag? What do you think momma thought when grub pulled
out a $100.00 toy....for him and not her? Somehow she just could not
understand why grub needed another high dollar wheel when the first one
worked just fine. She started acting weird an all and then I started to put
the pieces together and then figured it all out. Boy, am I in deep do do
now! No present for Momma.
So, here I sit all broken hearted..........

Well, my review of the MOMO for all of about 2 hours of intense playing
is that it hindered my driving. Maybe if I had kept it, I might have gotton
use to the FF but it was alkward. Also, the clamping system does not work as
well as my Thrustmaster.
I dont blame her. I really did not need another wheel. I will just have
to get my competitive edge by more practicing and trying to get more
consistent.

Momma just got back from Circuit City and everything is fine now at the
grub household. Some advice from a 15yr married-to-the-same-domestic
partner-man who is still learning about the female species........Never,
ever, ever, come home the day before an important date (like her birthday or
Valentines day), with a great big box full of high dollar toys for you and
no one else. It is inconsiderate, unloving, and just plain stupid. It's like
watching one of those reality shows, but its you on the center stage.

Reality show,, Is Joe millionare REALLY a $19,000.00 dozer driver.? The
last dozer driver I knew made 20.00 an hour. Man, that dark haired woman
(the school teacher) is hot. She's got too much class for Joe. Of course
they are all gold-diggers if you ask me. On moment I feel sorry for them and
the next I see them for what they really are. I guess its one way to get on
TV. I'd rather be racing myself.

Happy Valentines day all and stay out of trouble!! :)
grub

by **Gene Penma** » Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:30:53

heh, I learnt that lesson the hard way too. I went out to buy my fiance a
birthday present....so what's the first store I go to? EB. What do I buy? An
Xbox. For who? Myself. I was so e***d that I rushed home to play it and
forgot all about her present (her birthday was the next day). Well I copped
some dark treatment after that.... I'd agree. Always look at the calendar
before spoiling yourself.

Oh and in the end she was happy with her gift. I felt so bad that I really
spent a lot of money...I got her a full day in a thalgo day spa...all that
pampering and stuff....they love it.

massivechicken.

and the xbox? Best thing I've ever bought myself! I'd never owned a console
before...now I'm hooked...they are so much fun with a modchip...the stuff
you can do with them...it's like the entertainment hub in my loungeroom now
(dvd's, vcd's, divX movies, mp3's, xbox games, 1600 mame games, photo album
viewer, the list goes on....*sigh*)

by **jon** » Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:00:21

I hereby make a motion which proposes that we set up a pay-pal account to
get grubb a momo...
and a dozen roses.

by **Larr** » Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:55:43

Zora has a mystique about her that is both fascinating and frightening at
the same time :)

Larry

by **Jan Verschuere** » Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:41:38

Force feedback enriches the experience, IMO. One shouldn't use it to go
faster. It might give you an edge in the consistency, but certainly not in
the speed stakes.

Surprise her today and she still won't let you forget. ;-)

FF takes a bit of getting used to and *A LOT* of tweaking.

That's the tickett... tell her you need to practise more to compensate for
the equipment. <g>

Hehehe... I could have told you that and I'm not even married.

No ghost mode in NR2003, Grub.

No sweat... no valentine either, but that takes the pressure off. ;-))

Jan.
=---

by **Woodie** » Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:34:52

> Reality show,, Is Joe millionare REALLY a $19,000.00 dozer driver.? The
>last dozer driver I knew made 20.00 an hour.

Stern asked him that exact thing yesterday. It seems Joe only worked about
half the time last year. He also came off a lot smarter than on TV.

Don McCorkle

by **Eldre** » Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:55:09

I keep seeing people say that getting FF helped their speeds, because they can
feel what the car is doing almost before it DOES it...

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by **Larr** » Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:08:02

I'd like to wring his neck. This weeks episode was touted as being the
final the entire week before, then they pulled that bullshit...

I can't believe they are going to squeeze another TWO hours out of this.
The last episode was ultimately boring.

Larry

> > Reality show,, Is Joe millionare REALLY a $19,000.00 dozer driver.?
The
> >last dozer driver I knew made 20.00 an hour.

> Stern asked him that exact thing yesterday. It seems Joe only worked
about
> half the time last year. He also came off a lot smarter than on TV.

> Don McCorkle

by **Larr** » Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:10:14

I never really liked FF in Nascar Racing, but forced myself to live with it
when N4 came out.

Not because I like it (I used to run with FF disabled), but because running
a non-FF wheel makes the pull-to-the-left unbearable since you have to fight
with the centering spring the whole time.

At least with FF it's not that bad.

The FF in GPL is the only thing that made it possible for me to get around
the track a full lap, though. It does SO much for GPL.

Larry

by **Jan Verschuere** » Sun, 16 Feb 2003 03:27:53

Yes, it does provide information as to what is going on and it does give one
confidence in what the car is capable of. I don't know whether this is real
or perceived, but in my mind it also allows for more of the driving being
delegated to the sensory/balance system as opposed to relying on one's
vision/hearing and all that can lead to more speed, but it comes at a price.

The thing is, with FF, the car "reacts" to your inputs and these reactions
can influence your inputs. Assuming it doesn't start oscillating by itself
(if it does then it's not set up right) it's still possible, either by
asking to much of the car or not being smooth enough in your inputs, to have
the chassis "load up" (fight your input) or "unload" (suddenly pulling along
your input) and even change ***ly between the two (the classic
overcorrection situation). I.e. the resistance of the wheel to turning
changes dynamically and that may throw you off and _will_ slow you down.
Eventually, that is. FF won't stop you go beyond -20s on GPLRank or
anything, but holding those impossibly perfect hotlapper slides is only
possible without FF messing with your opposite locking, IMO.

What I'm saying is if your goal is ultimate speed, don't go for FF. All
other simmers should at least try. It makes (good) racing sims a whole new
experience.

Jan.
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by **grubba** » Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:16:57

Thanks for the offer jon but I just couldn't accept. I was raised that if
someone does something fer ya, then you do something back better. Maybe Im
too southern, or maybe I don't like people doing for me. I would rather give
than receive.
How come that last sentence just don't sound right.
(No I was never in prison)

I am happy with my wheel after trying the MOMO. It was nice but too stiff
for me and the FF was kinda weird.
grub

> I hereby make a motion which proposes that we set up a pay-pal account to
> get grubb a momo...
> and a dozen roses.

> > I titled this RASCAR so those who use the filter do not have to read my
> > babbling.

> > ANYWAY, today momma grub took MOMO back to circuit city for a refund.
You
> > see, I stopped by circuit city on the way home to get a new hard drive
and
> > saw the MOMO there. I couldn't resist since everyone on the board seems
to
> > love the product. I currently have the Thrustmaster pro digital 2 wheel
> but
> > its not force feedback. I have wondered about whether FF would give me
the
> > competitive edge here at rascar. If I could only keep up with Tim White.
> > Well, I brought the big momo box home in a big bag and momma saw me. I
> tried
> > to hid it but it made things worse. You see, tomorrow is valentines day.
> > What do you think momma thought when I came home, the day before
> Valentines
> > day, with a great big bag? What do you think momma thought when grub
> pulled
> > out a $100.00 toy....for him and not her? Somehow she just could not
> > understand why grub needed another high dollar wheel when the first one
> > worked just fine. She started acting weird an all and then I started to
> put
> > the pieces together and then figured it all out. Boy, am I in deep do do
> > now! No present for Momma.
> > So, here I sit all broken hearted..........

> > Well, my review of the MOMO for all of about 2 hours of intense
> playing
> > is that it hindered my driving. Maybe if I had kept it, I might have
> gotton
> > use to the FF but it was alkward. Also, the clamping system does not
work
> as
> > well as my Thrustmaster.
> > I dont blame her. I really did not need another wheel. I will just
> have
> > to get my competitive edge by more practicing and trying to get more
> > consistent.

> > Momma just got back from Circuit City and everything is fine now at
> the
> > grub household. Some advice from a 15yr married-to-the-same-domestic
> > partner-man who is still learning about the female species........Never,
> > ever, ever, come home the day before an important date (like her
birthday
> or
> > Valentines day), with a great big box full of high dollar toys for you
and
> > no one else. It is inconsiderate, unloving, and just plain stupid. It's
> like
> > watching one of those reality shows, but its you on the center stage.

> > Reality show,, Is Joe millionare REALLY a $19,000.00 dozer driver.?
> The
> > last dozer driver I knew made 20.00 an hour. Man, that dark haired woman
> > (the school teacher) is hot. She's got too much class for Joe. Of
course
> > they are all gold-diggers if you ask me. On moment I feel sorry for them
> and
> > the next I see them for what they really are. I guess its one way to get
> on
> > TV. I'd rather be racing myself.

> > Happy Valentines day all and stay out of trouble!! :)
> > grub

by **grubba** » Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:20:02

Jan,
I got ISDN now and I hope the ghost is a thing of the past. If it isn't , I
intend to dump my AT&T isp and find a lower latency ISP. I wish that I knew
of one in the Atlanta Georgia area that was a pipeline for the internet.
grub

by **Jan Verschuere** » Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:38:02

Ooops... communication failure there.

I took you saying "racing myself" literally, indicating NR2003 does not have
the option to race your own best lap in "ghost mode".

Sorry, 'bout that.

Jan.
=---

by **grubba** » Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:09:07

Communication failure ....I thought you were refering to the race last year
when I kept "appearing" in front of you.

by **Larr** » Mon, 17 Feb 2003 05:24:01

ISDN is great for online racing, but not for hosting. ISDN is very, very
stable.

Larry

> Jan,
> I got ISDN now and I hope the ghost is a thing of the past. If it isn't ,
I
> intend to dump my AT&T isp and find a lower latency ISP. I wish that I
knew
> of one in the Atlanta Georgia area that was a pipeline for the internet.
> grub

> > "grubbat" wrote...
> > > I titled this RASCAR so those who use the filter do not
> > > have to read my babbling.

> > > ANYWAY, today momma grub took MOMO back to circuit city
> > > for a refund. You see, I stopped by circuit city on the
> > > way home to get a new hard drive and saw the MOMO there.
> > > I couldn't resist since everyone on the board seems to
> > > love the product. I currently have the Thrustmaster pro
> > > digital 2 wheel but its not force feedback. I have
> > > wondered about whether FF would give me the competitive
> > > edge here at rascar. If I could only keep up with Tim
> > > White.

> > Force feedback enriches the experience, IMO. One shouldn't use it to go
> > faster. It might give you an edge in the consistency, but certainly not
in
> > the speed stakes.

> > > Well, I brought the big momo box home in a big bag and
> > > momma saw me. I tried to hid it but it made things worse.
> > > You see, tomorrow is valentines day. What do you think
> > > momma thought when I came home, the day before Valentines
> > > day, with a great big bag? What do you think momma
> > > thought when grub pulled out a $100.00 toy....for him and
> > > not her? Somehow she just could not understand why grub
> > > needed another high dollar wheel when the first one worked
> > > just fine. She started acting weird an all and then I
> > > started to put the pieces together and then figured it all
> > > out. Boy, am I in deep do do now! No present for Momma.
> > > So, here I sit all broken hearted..........

> > Surprise her today and she still won't let you forget. ;-)

> > > Well, my review of the MOMO for all of about 2 hours
> > > of intense playing is that it hindered my driving. Maybe
> > > if I had kept it, I might have gotton use to the FF but
> > > it was alkward. Also, the clamping system does not work
> > > as well as my Thrustmaster.

> > FF takes a bit of getting used to and *A LOT* of tweaking.

> > > I dont blame her. I really did not need another wheel.
> > > I will just have to get my competitive edge by more
> > > practicing and trying to get more consistent.

> > That's the tickett... tell her you need to practise more to compensate
for
> > the equipment. <g>

> > > Momma just got back from Circuit City and everything
> > > is fine now at the grub household. Some advice from a
> > > 15yr married-to-the-same-domestic partner-man who is still
> > > learning about the female species........Never, ever, ever,
> > > come home the day before an important date (like her
> > > birthday or Valentines day), with a great big box full of
> > > high dollar toys for you and no one else. It is
> > > inconsiderate, unloving, and just plain stupid. It's like
> > > watching one of those reality shows, but its you on the
> > > center stage.

> > Hehehe... I could have told you that and I'm not even married.

> > > Reality show,, Is Joe millionare REALLY a $19,000.00
> > > dozer driver.? The last dozer driver I knew made 20.00 an
> > > hour. Man, that dark haired woman (the school teacher) is
> > > hot. She's got too much class for Joe. Of course they are
> > > all gold-diggers if you ask me. On moment I feel sorry for
> > > them and the next I see them for what they really are. I
> > > guess its one way to get on TV. I'd rather be racing myself.

> > No ghost mode in NR2003, Grub.

> > > Happy Valentines day all and stay out of trouble!! :)

> > No sweat... no valentine either, but that takes the pressure off. ;-))

> > Jan.
> > =---

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