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by **DAVID J ROBINSO** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:24:07

My point is you got a guy who can lead races and stand on the gas. You
teach him, don't *** at him. Tomas right now is going out and trying to
win laps not races, and someone needs to teach him how to win races.
***ing at him and threatening him with his job is not going to help him
win races. Overall Eddie has not handled the situation decently at all.

Dave

> then he shouldnt deck his cars into the barriers at race tracks :)

> pez

> > >Maybe Cheever needs to spend more time working on getting Tomas to
finish
> > >races instead of ***ing at the guy. The kid has lead like 400+ laps
> this
> > >year. Eddie has not lead that many laps, but he is telling this kid to
> cool
> > >it. Eddie is an idiot.

> > Eddie also has to pay the bills for the cars that get torn up...

> > Eldred
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by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:50:15

> > Wow - I hadn't heard *that* story...

> > Eldred

> Eldred, read the full story here:

> http://www.atlasf1.com/news/2001/may/report.php/id/4302/.html

And Jim Bamber's view on it

http://www.neilthompson.co.uk/iec5qz8twrqk/jimbamber/jbpage.pl?action...

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by **Eldre** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:21:29

>Still, those cars were sooooooo far from running on the edge of adhesion that
>Sarah was even able to stay on the lead lap.

You don't think Sarah has a good car?

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by **Phil Le** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:17:04

> You don't think Sarah has a good car?

> Eldred

To my eyes it looked like she more or less the best car in the last 20 laps.
She was consistently running the lowest line of any driver. What cost her a
shot towards the end was having to lift off slightly once to avoid hitting
someone else, I think Sam Hornish.

Phil

by **Jack Wilso** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:32:56

If you would do a little investigating you would find that the greed and
desire for power were from cart and that is what prompted TG to form the IRL

> > > I tell you what...

> > > A lot of people tend to bash the IRL on this newsgroup, but you can't
> deny
> > > the racing is absolutely awesome, week after week!

> > > Great race, congratulations Tomas!!!
> > > I agree, Eddie should hang up his helmet (except maybe for a run at
Indy
> > > next year) and let those two rookies have at it!

> > > Jay J

> > Most of us that have "issues" with the IRL have nothing to do with the
> > drivers and cars, it has EVERYTHING to do with that *** Tony George
> that
> > runs it all. His greed and desire for power and control are what caused
> the
> > CART/IRL split in the first place.

> > --
> > ---------------------
> > Rob Berryhill

> Yup, I would love to watch more IRL events, but the smell of Sulpher
and
> the taste of ASH overwhelms me everytime.
> dave henrie

by **DAVID J ROBINSO** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:27:18

IRL

Yes Tony wanted as much say as a franchise holder( at the time a owner) of
CART. He had no owership in CART he was a track owner. He got upset that he
did not get that so he formed his own league. Then pulled the 25/8 rule so
his newly formed league would not get its ass stomped by CART teams in its
first year where they ran the same equipment. He has driven TV ratings
consistantly down since the split for his race. He does not release
attendance figures, but the people are staying away in droves from
everything but race day. And Race day attendance cannot be confirmed to be
what it was in the Pre IRL days. This years ratings was the worst, even
after a bump when the CART teams started showing back up two years ago.
Additionally the oval only aspect of the league just leaves me out. Finally
some of the aspects of the IRL that were embraced, American Drivers, Parity
on Engines since you can own them, and affordable racing is going out the
window. Toyota and Honda will have factory support for only their blessed
teams and they will raise the bar to a point where if you are not running
the favored powerplant you will not be in the hunt.

Michigans race had a great last 30 laps. To get there we saw great driving
from Tomas who was dominating the race. other then that is was daft passes
for second and back. Too bad Infiniti will not be back next year. They
realize the dollars needed to spent keeping up with Honda and Toyota Factory
teams will just cost too much.

Dave

by **Eldre** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:04:07

writes:

e&page=scheckter&title=Hangin'%20Around

That cartoon is garbled - it didn't show, and neither did the next one in the
series... Oh well.<g>

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by **Eldre** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:04:07

>> You don't think Sarah has a good car?

>> Eldred

>To my eyes it looked like she more or less the best car in the last 20 laps.
>She was consistently running the lowest line of any driver. What cost her a
>shot towards the end was having to lift off slightly once to avoid hitting
>someone else, I think Sam Hornish.

She definitely got shuffled back like in a NASCAR plate race... :-(

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by **Eldre** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:04:07

>My point is you got a guy who can lead races and stand on the gas. You
>teach him, don't *** at him. Tomas right now is going out and trying to
>win laps not races, and someone needs to teach him how to win races.
>***ing at him and threatening him with his job is not going to help him
>win races. Overall Eddie has not handled the situation decently at all.

I'd say it's easier to teach patience than speed. Speed is more or less
natural talent - it's difficult to learn(trust me<g>).

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by **don hodgdo** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:27:47

Sounds like you all missed the best racing of the weekend, The WSB race from
Brands Hatch! No artificial rev limits, no pop-off valves, no traction
control and no freakin' mirrors!

Go Colin, Go!

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by **Larr** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:03:06

I missed the CART race, and I was wrong. It was NOT re-transmitted. It was
the F1 race they re-transmitted.

Dammit.

I know who won now (but I forgot), so it don't matter any more :)

-Larry

> >The racing schedules stunk today. The dual-feed UltimateTV was getting a
> >workout today :)

> I watched all *4* races...whew!

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by **Larr** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:04:17

Personally, I find the IRL more exciting than either F1 or CART.

The last 30 laps of that Michigan race yesterday were some of the most
nail-biting racing I've ever seen in my life.

-Larry

> Yep, his son, he almost destroyed his career by going up to a cop
pretending
> to be a prostitue while being a test driver for Jaguar (not the best ride
in
> the world, but MUCH better then the IRL.)

> > >IRL: Eddie Cheever is not pleased that Thomas Scheckter has crashed six
> cars -
> > >five in races - this year.

> > Pardon my ignorance, since I don't follow the IRL, but is Thomas
> > related to Jody by chance?

> > Jason

by **Larr** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:16:13

Eddie helped him tear up a few of those cars :)

-Larry

> >Maybe Cheever needs to spend more time working on getting Tomas to finish
> >races instead of ***ing at the guy. The kid has lead like 400+ laps
this
> >year. Eddie has not lead that many laps, but he is telling this kid to
cool
> >it. Eddie is an idiot.

> Eddie also has to pay the bills for the cars that get torn up...

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by **Larr** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:17:07

Has she ever won a race in IRL ?

-Larry

"David

> >AWESOME finish! Cheever needs to set down next week and race Rice and
> >Sheckter.

> >Man I thought Sarah might get it for a bit :)

> I actually wanted to see her win. That would have been cool...

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by **DAVID J ROBINSO** » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:04:11

> >My point is you got a guy who can lead races and stand on the gas. You
> >teach him, don't *** at him. Tomas right now is going out and trying
to
> >win laps not races, and someone needs to teach him how to win races.
> >***ing at him and threatening him with his job is not going to help him
> >win races. Overall Eddie has not handled the situation decently at all.

> I'd say it's easier to teach patience than speed. Speed is more or less
> natural talent - it's difficult to learn(trust me<g>).

> Eldred

The kid is fast no doubt about it, but yelling at him and threatening him
with loosing his ride is not going to teach patience, its just going to get
you a pissed off driver. Cheever needs to figure that one out. Kinda like
AJ. Loved seeing him destroy part of one of his cars yesturday.

Dave

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