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OT: Ausie V8s

Mitch_

OT: Ausie V8s

by Mitch_ » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 03:56:01

This is for Goy!

Hey man I am watching last years race at the gold coast and many of the
competitors made their compulsory tire change on or about lap 4-5.  Why?
Obviously the tires will last the race then why not wait till most of the
others have pitted and use the clear track to your advantage?  I must be
missing something in the rules or strategy?

Seems odd seeing a Falcon ;)

Mitch

Dave Henri

OT: Ausie V8s

by Dave Henri » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 04:01:01



  strategy I would think   When you are in a line of cars, it is difficult
to run clean laps.  So those who are not in a clear posisiton will come in
early to hopefully come out to a clear track.  They can then run faster
laps than the cars stuck in the pak.  THEN when the pak cars pit, they
'should' be behind the early pitters.
dave henrie

Phil Redma

OT: Ausie V8s

by Phil Redma » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 04:08:47

I think it has to do with the worry of full course yellows. Those who pit
early can take advantage of any full course yellows that come up.


Ed Solhei

OT: Ausie V8s

by Ed Solhei » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 04:27:39

Could it be that they are forced to start on the same set of tires as they
qualifed the car with?
If thaqt would mean that their tires probably are of a soft compound and/or
pretty 'scrubbed' from the start - hence their short life.

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Goy Larse

OT: Ausie V8s

by Goy Larse » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 04:49:00


> Could it be that they are forced to start on the same set of tires as they
> qualifed the car with?
> If thaqt would mean that their tires probably are of a soft compound and/or
> pretty 'scrubbed' from the start - hence their short life.

> --
> ed_

> ----------------------------------------------
> $10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC.



> > This is for Goy!

> > Hey man I am watching last years race at the gold coast and many of the
> > competitors made their compulsory tire change on or about lap 4-5.  Why?
> > Obviously the tires will last the race then why not wait till most of the
> > others have pitted and use the clear track to your advantage?  I must be
> > missing something in the rules or strategy?

> > Seems odd seeing a Falcon ;)

> > Mitch

Current rules only allow for the use of 10 tires over the weekend if I
understood the commentary right, I expect that leads to some strategy
moves that seems curious to us

But on the other hand, if you have a fast car but is stuck in traffic,
it might pay to pit early and save those tires for a later race, the
stop will drop you behind the field and you have a clear track to work
with

Just guessing as I don't have AussieV8's on TV here now, if hadn't been
for one of the guys at "The Pits" I wouldn't have seen any of 02 season,
thx again Dave !!! :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

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ymenar

OT: Ausie V8s

by ymenar » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 05:19:01


>   strategy I would think   When you are in a line of cars, it is difficult
> to run clean laps.  So those who are not in a clear posisiton will come in
> early to hopefully come out to a clear track.  They can then run faster
> laps than the cars stuck in the pak

I can see some little logic with the fact that the best thing you can have
is to pit under green *just* before a full course yellow.  On Nascar road
tracks, it's been the winning strategy, but it's pure luck.

You waste several seconds by going into the pits to change those tyres.  You
do not gain those lost seconds easily, especially considerning how often the
yellow flag goes out.  I don't see how can anybody gain 30 seconds lost on a
pitstop by running alone vs. running in a pack.  It's not like you loose 5
seconds a lap just by being behind somebody.

But then, those early pitters will have to pit again.

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Dave Henri

OT: Ausie V8s

by Dave Henri » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 05:33:02

   I think the Ozzie V8's are one-stop races.  Goy?
dave henrie

Tony Rickar

OT: Ausie V8s

by Tony Rickar » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 05:50:38

I believe they have an enforced pit stop with a window of laps to take it - like
the British Touring cars

Goy Larse

OT: Ausie V8s

by Goy Larse » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 07:23:40


> > > But then, those early pitters will have to pit again.
> > >  --
> > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>

> >    I think the Ozzie V8's are one-stop races.  Goy?

> I believe they have an enforced pit stop with a window of laps to take it - like
> the British Touring cars

Correct, they also use "control" tyres, pit window is usually from a
couple of laps in until a couple of laps from the end

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

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Dave Boyl

OT: Ausie V8s

by Dave Boyl » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 08:08:06


NP Goy ;)

This is the first year I've actually watched Aussie V8s, but this is what
I've learned so far.

Most of the races have a fixed number of tires allowed per weekend. There
are 2-3 races per weekend. The teams usually try to save a good set for the
final stint of the last race. They can't make their compulsory stop during a
yellow flag, so they usually stop early to keep from getting caught out by a
full course caution. Sometimes a late pit gamble pays off, but not usually.
But each race seems to have it's own rules. The Bathurst endurance race
didn't seem to have any special rules.

Great racing on mostly good tracks. Although it's been kinda painful to
watch this season as a Ford fan, heheh. I can see now why a certain person
keeps the AV8 crusade alive ;).

db

Goy Larse

OT: Ausie V8s

by Goy Larse » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 08:18:56


> NP Goy ;)

> This is the first year I've actually watched Aussie V8s, but this is what
> I've learned so far.

> Most of the races have a fixed number of tires allowed per weekend. There
> are 2-3 races per weekend. The teams usually try to save a good set for the
> final stint of the last race. They can't make their compulsory stop during a
> yellow flag, so they usually stop early to keep from getting caught out by a
> full course caution. Sometimes a late pit gamble pays off, but not usually.
> But each race seems to have it's own rules. The Bathurst endurance race
> didn't seem to have any special rules.

> Great racing on mostly good tracks. Although it's been kinda painful to
> watch this season as a Ford fan, heheh. I can see now why a certain person
> keeps the AV8 crusade alive ;).

Quite simply because it's the best road racing series there is...:-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

ymenar

OT: Ausie V8s

by ymenar » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 08:54:12


> Quite simply because it's the best road racing series there is...:-)

I really like the simple/short tracks (except Bathurst).  They give lots of
action and they are for the most pretty tight.  The track width is very
narrow on almost all of those tracks.  There's no Kuala Lumpur there in that
series.  The cars jump on the kerbs, drift wide into the tall grass just at
the edge of the track, often the track radius of some corner exit will make
it so that the cars barely round the outside edge of the corners.

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David Corles

OT: Ausie V8s

by David Corles » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 09:07:22


Ok, the reason for this is that for some stupid reason they are not allowed
to make their compulsory tire change under yellow flags. This means that if
you take your pit stop as early as possible, then if there is a yellow flag
(which is highly likely seeing as these guys drive like morons) you can
catch up the 30 seconds or so which you have lost in the pit lane.
Personally I think its a stupid rule.

hey? Falcons are tops - don't knock em till your tried em

David Corless

Steve Whitt

OT: Ausie V8s

by Steve Whitt » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 14:13:21

If you guys love the Aussie v8's, you really should try to get a look at the
Brutes.  Thats the Aussie Ford and Holden Utes (Pick-ups for the Americans).
Barely a straight panel after these guys race

Steve

Mitch_

OT: Ausie V8s

by Mitch_ » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:11:59

Me knock a Falcon?  A High school buddy owned a 64 Falcon and we made many
road trips to Santa Cruz in that car and it never let us down once, and we
really did do some thrashing in it ;)  Oh to be 17 again...

Mitch


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