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you know if anybody cares.

Well, I'm bored so I'll comment.  It seems to me that the people at papyrus
will probably be a little too busy to sit around and dominate the NRL for
the next several years.  Banning Don and the others is useless, but the
above is starting to sound a little paranoid.  Even with the best setups
for an outdated game, you will still need to take the best line, and
reproduce that line around the track for thousands of laps to dominate the
NRL.

I've used some of his setups, but I still suck at certain tracks.  Why
would I use an old setup for a completely new game anyway.

This reminds me of the scare tactics certain politicians use.  I'm sure
Papyrus will do the right thing.

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When I die, I want to go peacefully, like my grandfather in his sleep,
not screaming like the other passengers in his car.

  I second that!  Don is a great guy and has put forth a LOT of work
in helping others.  If he was only out to cheat and steal, he wouldn't
be doing the helping things he does now. Come on people......this is
really sad..

--
Lannie Schafroth

Let these guys race. Either that or disqualify all of us that have gotten
help from them over the past several years...Which is probably almost all of
us. Just my two pennies worth.

John - Cincinnati, Ohio

TEAM can dominate the NRL. >>

Don, since Papyrus employees cannot participate in the IRL, why do you say
this?

Randy

writes

That may be true Chuck, but others might and it is THEIR setups as well
as yours which are in question. I have no problem with anyone racing
anywhere, but if I know your setup and you don't know mine, you must
agree that gives me the advantage.

Okay, maybe the setup will NOT be looked at, but how will you feel when
I not only beat you, but I beat you by a big margin? Will you accept
that it was just my driving? I'm not aiming this at you, I'm sure that
you are a gent on the track, but there are many who would instantly
accuse me of cheating and I personally wouldn't want to give people any
chance to say I was cheating. I know I'm not, but I'd want to make sure
others couldn't accuse me of it either.

Cheers!
John

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In both cases you stated NRL, not Nascar 2.  Since that's like
comparing Nascar 1 offline to Hawaii, and since they are entirely
different, you should have been a lot clearer.  

From what I remember from a post a loonnnngg time ago (and I hope I
remember this correctly) the NRL is the Nascar sanctioned league,  so
Papy doesn't want you running in that, due to the fact they feel like
you have to much info.  From what I understand from all I've read
here, that doesn't keep you from running pickup races, or running IVGA
leagues, it just keep you from running in the Sanctioned Nascar
events.  That's if I've got this straight :).

Don,

Listen, in my own personal opinion, you should have had a big fat
notice on the IVGA page stating that when people do the fastlap
program, and turn in the results, they are handing over their setup to
you.  Whether you intended to use the setups for your own gain or not,
I don't know, and don't care, but after hearing post after post on
this newsgroup and elsewhere about cheating, and such, and seeing the
IVGA name involved through members of your organization,  well I'll be
quite honest and say I'm quite leery of the organization.   I've seen
you put a spin on quite a few posts, turning things as much as
possible to your favor, and I feel that you are twisting this away
from you, and onto Papy and the NRL to keep people from focusing on
the fact that you've manufactured a program that allows you to get and
use a persons setup without telling them, then announcing to the world
that if a racing league or person doesn't use the software, their
speeds aren't legit, or they're cheating.  This just all leaves a very
bad taste in my mouth.  YUCK :(.

I'm not trying to attack you Don, or the members of your organization,
many of whom I know and consider friends,  I'm just stating how it
appears to me from the outside, reading usenet and talking to people
through e-mail.  Take it as you will :).

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Did anybody see these?  I didnt and am curious if there
is rear wheel camber and less than 1 gallon of gas in
the setups for qual??..

Randy

you really should think before you type this stuff up.  Whatever
advantage it did or didn't cause,  Joe Farr was an early Hawaii beta
testor.  He signed the NDA, he revcieved the same infor the rest of us
did on Multi, and after his illness, I personnally continued to tell him
details of bugs and changes.

Now I'm sure Papyrus knows Joe was a beta testor and we know from your
previous message that he's on the board of IVGA so I think you do have
info on MULTI.

Steve Edwards
STEVE on Hawaii
#7 Hawaii Ace League

Don

How would you knowing my setup give you any advantage over me in a race?

But how would keeping the IVGA people out of the NRL in any way affect
whether I thought you were cheating?

Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USA

Don Wilshe

These are not .stg files to download. Setup info is in text form.
I tried a few of them offline. Using Joe's setups, or whoever's, WILL
NOT make someone an overnight success. It's a good starting point,
but you need to tailor it to your driving style.

So here's my question for this thread: How much of an advantage would
a drive have if he/she knew your setup? If you know the setup of the
fastest driver in any given race, use that exact one, would you be able
to qualify and run just as fast?

Don Turcotte
Hawaii:DonT

MIT Lincoln Labs

If you worked for Papyrus (a dream job), would you risk being fired just
to race?  I suppose they (Papyrus empoyees) might be able to get away
with it but with a company policy forbidding it it doesn't seem likely
that they would take the risk.  I wouldn't.

Later,

Pat Dotson