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OT: Amazing car chase

Ruud Dingeman

OT: Amazing car chase

by Ruud Dingeman » Fri, 06 Aug 2004 16:51:17


> punishment to fit the crime, this is more like a trailer-trash version of
> suicide bombers, or Edward G. Robinson's Gottedaemmerung in White Heat ("Top
> o' the world, Ma!"),

<Chuckle> Edward G. Robinson? I'd love to see THAT particular director's
cut, if you have it, you're sitting on cinema gold!   :)

(I think you actually meant Jimmy Cagney here Steve)

Regards, Rudy
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Eldre

OT: Amazing car chase

by Eldre » Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:18:23

I *thought* I'd remembered seeing something like that before.  But I always
wondered - why wouldn't the harpoon break back through the metal it had just
penetrated?  Presumably it would weaken the structure when it hits the first
time.  Then when the police car slams on the brakes, it seems like it would
just rip through the back of the target car...
I thought about the liability of harpooning a person in the car as well... :-(

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Steve Smit

OT: Amazing car chase

by Steve Smit » Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:34:08

Yes, of course Cagney.  Doh!  (I even looked it up before I sent it.)



> > punishment to fit the crime, this is more like a trailer-trash version
of
> > suicide bombers, or Edward G. Robinson's Gottedaemmerung in White Heat
("Top
> > o' the world, Ma!"),

> <Chuckle> Edward G. Robinson? I'd love to see THAT particular director's
> cut, if you have it, you're sitting on cinema gold!   :)

> (I think you actually meant Jimmy Cagney here Steve)

> Regards, Rudy
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b

OT: Amazing car chase

by b » Sat, 07 Aug 2004 08:43:34

like everything else in life GENERALIZING makes it easy to get one's
point across.

al i'm here to say is my son - an ENGLISH LIT major, graduated from
college, was in the upper 2% of his NATIONAL academic rankings.. and
joined the police force because he wants to help people~

he's been on the force for going on 3 years.. has arrested many an
UNDER age youth beind the wheel, (one that he chased down on foot) :D
and i ask... would you prefer this drunken irresponsible be allowed to
samsh into your wife's car on her way to market? or into a school bus?
or only into a tree taking his/her own life? i think not-

not evey cop wants to bash in a head..
i know this wont stop generalizing, but i had to speak up on a
misconstrued statement so close to 'home'.....

a cop's dad
bo bruce



>All cops undergo psychiatric evaluations and intelligence tests before they
>get a badge. Without ever having read the studies of the results of those
>tests, when I was 13, I could of told you what kind of person usually
>becomes a cop. Very, very easy thing to do.

>For many of them, it doesn't have much to do with wanting to protect and
>serve. Do some research and you'll find out what type of person joins the
>police force.

>--
>David G Fisher



>> >The cops get off on this sport because they get off on ***.  Why
>else
>> >join the force?

>> To protect and serve.  I refuse to let the few bad apples color my view of
>> every cop in the country...

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Steve Smit

OT: Amazing car chase

by Steve Smit » Sat, 07 Aug 2004 10:20:14

I'm not generalizing; I'm prejudiced.  I'm also reading Eddie Conlon's "Blue
***," about his career w. New York's finest.  Contrary to my cheap shot,
Conlon obviously didn't join so he could partake of legal bar fights.  Altho
he comes from a family background of corrupt Irish cops, his father was a
true-blue FBI agent and Conlon himself graduated from Harvard.  He also
received a genuinely warm welcome by Jon Stewart on 'The Daily Show' and has
been published in The New Yorker, which is more than I've done with my
privileged background of flaming liberalism.

You have every right to be proud of yer son.


> like everything else in life GENERALIZING makes it easy to get one's
> point across.

> al i'm here to say is my son - an ENGLISH LIT major, graduated from
> college, was in the upper 2% of his NATIONAL academic rankings.. and
> joined the police force because he wants to help people~

> he's been on the force for going on 3 years.. has arrested many an
> UNDER age youth beind the wheel, (one that he chased down on foot) :D
> and i ask... would you prefer this drunken irresponsible be allowed to
> samsh into your wife's car on her way to market? or into a school bus?
> or only into a tree taking his/her own life? i think not-

> not evey cop wants to bash in a head..
> i know this wont stop generalizing, but i had to speak up on a
> misconstrued statement so close to 'home'.....

> a cop's dad
> bo bruce



> >All cops undergo psychiatric evaluations and intelligence tests before
they
> >get a badge. Without ever having read the studies of the results of those
> >tests, when I was 13, I could of told you what kind of person usually
> >becomes a cop. Very, very easy thing to do.

> >For many of them, it doesn't have much to do with wanting to protect and
> >serve. Do some research and you'll find out what type of person joins the
> >police force.

> >--
> >David G Fisher



> >> >The cops get off on this sport because they get off on ***.  Why
> >else
> >> >join the force?

> >> To protect and serve.  I refuse to let the few bad apples color my view
of
> >> every cop in the country...

> >> Eldred
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Ruud Dingeman

OT: Amazing car chase

by Ruud Dingeman » Sat, 07 Aug 2004 16:04:01


> Yes, of course Cagney.  Doh!  (I even looked it up before I sent it.)

Hey, memorable scene though - I still go "Top o' the world, Ma, Top o'
the world!!" every time I beat some benchmark in GPL!  ;)

(She still looks at me funny though.)

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alex

OT: Amazing car chase

by alex » Sun, 08 Aug 2004 12:35:35



Why only semblance? Both steering and brakes are working just fine
without engine, you just lose power stuff (and probably ABS, not sure), so
you have to put more force into steering and braking. If you have 30km of
twisty and rough roads ahead, you're in for a hard time, but otherwise it
shouldn't be a problem. In a reasonably light car you can even lock up the
tyres.

Familiar story in GPL, the engine explodes in the corner and you're
suddenly madly oversteering into an inside wall. But I think it only
applies to the race car.

Alex.

Marc Collin

OT: Amazing car chase

by Marc Collin » Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:19:54

Agree 100%.

Marc



> It really doesn't matter what the details of that particular chase are. We
> are really discussing the bigger issue of police chases, and in case you
> haven't watched the news in the past couple of years, it has something
that
> people are concerned about. People have gotten killed for nothing. In
> communities around the U.S., cops are being forbidden to chase cars except
> under strict circumstances, and sometimes under no circumstances at all.
> Why? Because of what some of us in this thread are talking about. Innocent
> people have gotten killed or mutilated when cops go crazy chasing someone
> who's often committed a non-*** crime. Stealing a car is a shitty
thing
> to do, you and I would love to kick their ass for doing so, but you don't
> kill innocent bystanders in order to retrieve a ***ing chunk of metal.
It's
> a stupid, neanderthal approach to the problem.

> And yes, the cops do get off on those chases.

> David G Fisher



> >   How do you know it was unnecessary ?  Can you prove that ?

> >   Say the guy had a gun and just popped off at some cops and/or public
> > before this clip started and the cops took chase ?  Say he just ran a
> > minivan full of kids into a wall before this clip started, and then the
> cops
> > took chase ?

> >   You have NO idea about the full story.  Neither do I, but then I'm not
> > jumping off on some tangent either.



> > > That's right. It's more important that the cops get back a hunk of
> rolling
> > > steel. If some innocent people (especially children---they haven't
been
> > > around very long, so they are of little value) get mangled or killed,
so
> > > what? That steel is definitely worth a few body bags.

> > > The cops get off on those completely unnecessary chases.

> > > David G Fisher



> > > >   Yep.  I always get a kick out of so many times on the net, someone
> > posts
> > > a
> > > > clip of incident x, and everyone jumps to criticizing, without
having
> > been
> > > > there, knowing the full story, etc.

> > > >   From an *edited* (usually for effect) tv clip, everyones an expert
> on
> > > how
> > > > things should have been handled, on whatever the clips subject is.



> > > > > It was actually a reported Stollen car. That is why the Cops were
> > trying
> > > > to
> > > > > pull him over

> > > > > Darf



> > > > > > He probably had a taillight out or something.  The cops think
it's
> > > > nothing
> > > > > > to risk killing innocent civilians if a "suspect" doesn't
> > immediately
> > > > > start
> > > > > > bowing and scraping and***ing their boots.

Eldre

OT: Amazing car chase

by Eldre » Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:34:20

I've also tried steering a car that was being pushed because it had stalled.  I
didn't find anything easy about trying to turn the wheel then.  Maybe if the
car is going faster the steering responds better?

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Jan Verschuere

OT: Amazing car chase

by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:44:39

Generally, yes, but it will still be harder than steering a car designed
without powersteering.

Jan.
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alex

OT: Amazing car chase

by alex » Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:45:00



Yep, when the car stationary, turning the wheel is quite hard, but at speed
it is much easier.

Alex.

WillyB41

OT: Amazing car chase

by WillyB41 » Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:31:51

Easier, but still more effort than if it were manual steering.

Bill


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