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How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

Domagoj Malovi

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by Domagoj Malovi » Thu, 01 Mar 2001 17:48:18

And of course for how much. After all the GPL driving and e***ment with
racing, and only driving a regular on the streets (like crazy:) I would like
to eventually buy something that is fun to drive but that is not too
expensive.

I think that even older used sports cars are too expensive, and too heavy.
Having something small would be a lot more fun, especially if it had
standardised parts (like half axles from ford fiesta etc)

I have heard of hillclimb cars being available in kits, that you assemble
yourself. Does anybody else have any suggestions. I know Alison built her
own kit car, and is recing it. Anybody else??????

thanks, domi

Douglas Elliso

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by Douglas Elliso » Thu, 01 Mar 2001 18:13:15

Here in the UK the 'Autosport' magazine carries adverts of 2nd hand racing
cars.

Often reasonable Formula Ford 1600 cars go for around the 5000 ($7 - 8000)
mark

Doug


Jagg

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by Jagg » Thu, 01 Mar 2001 18:34:12

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:48:18 +0100, "Domagoj Malovic"


>And of course for how much. After all the GPL driving and e***ment with
>racing, and only driving a regular on the streets (like crazy:) I would like
>to eventually buy something that is fun to drive but that is not too
>expensive.

>I think that even older used sports cars are too expensive, and too heavy.
>Having something small would be a lot more fun, especially if it had
>standardised parts (like half axles from ford fiesta etc)

>I have heard of hillclimb cars being available in kits, that you assemble
>yourself. Does anybody else have any suggestions. I know Alison built her
>own kit car, and is recing it. Anybody else??????

>thanks, domi

How about a rally racing car? The Mitsubishi Lancer Evo V used to come
in a street legal version, but they stopped doing that. Maybe you can
find one used. Here's a photo of one.

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Scott Boha

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by Scott Boha » Thu, 01 Mar 2001 20:45:11


Buy a Caterham 7 ... it would be perfect for you!!

www.caterham.co.uk

Unfortunately (for you) they hold there value quite well, so a 2nd hand one
will probably cost you 10k.  They are described as the closest you can get
to a racing car that is road legal.  They are serious fun to drive, and
brilliant on the track.

Go for it!

Cheers

Scott

Kevin Gavit

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by Kevin Gavit » Fri, 02 Mar 2001 00:08:57


If even an older sports car is too expensive for you, you'ld better start
thinking used FV rather than FF.

Even the shabiest of drivable FF's will cost at LEAST as much as a used
older sports car, probably much more.

An FV will only cost about the *same* as an older sports car and be much
cheaper to own and maintain as well.

KFG

D

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by D » Fri, 02 Mar 2001 01:20:15

one word for "cheap" racing...Karts!



> > And of course for how much. After all the GPL driving and e***ment
with
> > racing, and only driving a regular on the streets (like crazy:) I would
> like
> > to eventually buy something that is fun to drive but that is not too
> > expensive.

> > I think that even older used sports cars are too expensive, and too
heavy.
> > Having something small would be a lot more fun, especially if it had
> > standardised parts (like half axles from ford fiesta etc)

> > I have heard of hillclimb cars being available in kits, that you
assemble
> > yourself. Does anybody else have any suggestions. I know Alison built
her
> > own kit car, and is recing it. Anybody else??????

> > thanks, domi

> If even an older sports car is too expensive for you, you'ld better start
> thinking used FV rather than FF.

> Even the shabiest of drivable FF's will cost at LEAST as much as a used
> older sports car, probably much more.

> An FV will only cost about the *same* as an older sports car and be much
> cheaper to own and maintain as well.

> KFG

Alan Orto

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by Alan Orto » Fri, 02 Mar 2001 02:09:17

Go for a dwarf car or something like it. They are cheap and go pretty
darn fast. Complete brand new car around $6800. You could pickup a used
one for about a couple grand.

I've watched them on ovals, road courses and hill climbs. Easy to fix,
cheap to run and lots of fun.

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The car here would really fly with the Hayabusa engine in it. 185hp and
the car only weighs around 975lbs.
There are turbo's for the Hayabusa engine as well so you could boost the
HP over 320hp if you wanted to.
That is some serious power for something that weighs under 1000lbs.


> And of course for how much. After all the GPL driving and e***ment with
> racing, and only driving a regular on the streets (like crazy:) I would like
> to eventually buy something that is fun to drive but that is not too
> expensive.

> I think that even older used sports cars are too expensive, and too heavy.
> Having something small would be a lot more fun, especially if it had
> standardised parts (like half axles from ford fiesta etc)

> I have heard of hillclimb cars being available in kits, that you assemble
> yourself. Does anybody else have any suggestions. I know Alison built her
> own kit car, and is recing it. Anybody else??????

> thanks, domi

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Barton Brow

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by Barton Brow » Fri, 02 Mar 2001 03:17:43

A good bet for a fun autocrosser or solo car is a used SpecRacer Renault
or Ford -- like a Sports 2000 but tons cheaper. Fast enough to scare yourself...

BB

GraDe

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by GraDe » Fri, 02 Mar 2001 04:08:40

A Formula Ford can be bought by checking out classifieds on FF sites and
magazines like Autosport for 2nd hand equipment but to buy and run one is
very expensive.

On the cheap, I'd buy a kart.
A Porkart to be exact if you don't have money to throw away...
If you're not bothered just drive it around some empty car park.
If you are then go to a track, it's  only about 20-30 for as many laps as
you can do in one day.
If you are serious, get a powerful karts and actually race it.

I love karting...

FF is cool but cars are mighty expensive to run (even for fun)


Domagoj Malovi

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by Domagoj Malovi » Fri, 02 Mar 2001 05:00:20

I am sorry, but what exactly is an FV! Thanks!

Domi

Phil Le

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by Phil Le » Fri, 02 Mar 2001 06:10:06


I assume he means Formula Vauxhall.

Cheers

Phil
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Kevin Gavit

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by Kevin Gavit » Fri, 02 Mar 2001 06:52:08


Formula Vee. Honest to god open wheel racing cars based on old air cooled VW
parts, largely unmodified.

About 10% slower than an FF on a fast track, but less than half the cost to
purchase new. Now and again tremendous deals can be found on these puppies
used though, if you take your time shopping and keep your eyes wide open.

And the best part, they cost about %80 what FF does to run.

KFG

Barton Brow

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by Barton Brow » Fri, 02 Mar 2001 06:58:29


> I assume he means Formula Vauxhall.

> Cheers

> Phil

Over here in your former colonies, FV usually means Formula Vee, which
is a single seater employing Ye Olde VW 1200 or some such displacement
clatterbang opposed four, turned back to front with the ring and pinion
flopped, the gangly old swing arms being located by coil-over shocks,
trailing arms, and a "Z" bar, and utilising the front trailing-link
torsion bar suspension, most often with a couple leafs missing (if they
haven't rusted away already). Most notable for ganging up together at
the start and then falling all over each other through the first turn,
no matter how few laps an FV race may be, it's generally a contest of attrition...

Seriously, they can be fun, though working on one of those old
opposed-fours always brings back bad memories. Ray Caldwell of lore and
legend, now-deceased (I think -- I could definitely be wrong) chief
designer, cook, and bottle-washer of Autodynamics, produced a rather
attractive FV called -- if I recollect rightly -- the Caldwell D-13.
What the previous 12 things were God only knows, but he and Silent Sam
Posey cobbled up a truly miserable CanAm car that was essentially a
go-kart (no suspension except the flex of the tires in front, and
something equally antediluvian in the rear) with an aluminum 454 Chevy
driving the usual Hewland LG-something-or-other transaxle. Brrrr....no
thanks! Interesting, of course, as the first Hewlands actually used the
tunnel-case VW transaxle housings, though the internal gubbins were
definitely NOT made-in-Wolfsburg. The Autodynamics CanAm car was an
unmitigated disaster, and sadly didn't even have the chutzpah and
panache of a similar disaster wrought by Don Nichols at Shadow. Shadow
eventually worked out a fairly decent car (but by the time they did,
Penske's Porsche Panzer Brigade was well on the way to putting the CanAm
series out of business), but the Caldwell excrescence mercifully
disappeared -- though I think it's making the rounds of vintage events now.

Sam Posey then went out and bought himself a customer Lola (Sam was born
with wads of the elusive spondulix), which he lent to friend and Car &
Driver writer Charles Fox for an article in that once-decent magazine.
Fox promptly wadded it into an unsalvageable ball, which most likely
saved Posey a great deal of further embarrasment. Poor Mr. Fox was, and
is, a great writer; wheelchair bound now, and last seen in the company
of the great physicist Stephen Hawking. Posey currently embarrases
himself on the TeeWee, and will probably be doing exactly that this
weekend, which -- boys and girls -- is the first GP of the 2001 season.

And that's that.

Bart Brown

Alexpe

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by Alexpe » Fri, 02 Mar 2001 07:46:22

The most fun you can have in a car will be had in a caterham (driving that
is, its not big enough for sex)

pez



> > And of course for how much. After all the GPL driving and e***ment
with
> > racing, and only driving a regular on the streets (like crazy:) I would
> like
> > to eventually buy something that is fun to drive but that is not too
> > expensive.

> > I think that even older used sports cars are too expensive, and too
heavy.
> > Having something small would be a lot more fun, especially if it had
> > standardised parts (like half axles from ford fiesta etc)

> > I have heard of hillclimb cars being available in kits, that you
assemble
> > yourself. Does anybody else have any suggestions. I know Alison built
her
> > own kit car, and is recing it. Anybody else??????

> > thanks, domi

> Buy a Caterham 7 ... it would be perfect for you!!

> www.caterham.co.uk

> Unfortunately (for you) they hold there value quite well, so a 2nd hand
one
> will probably cost you 10k.  They are described as the closest you can
get
> to a racing car that is road legal.  They are serious fun to drive, and
> brilliant on the track.

> Go for it!

> Cheers

> Scott

use EXCITE.COM instead

How could one buy a real Formula Ford or some other racing car for not al lot of money???

by use EXCITE.COM instead » Fri, 02 Mar 2001 08:40:24


How much do you have to spend? I heard that Panoz is introducing a
ready-made racer for about $50,000, with adjustable shocks and
every thing.

If you got the $$$, you can get a Ford Mustang Cobra R, if you can
actually find one. :-)  That car is so stripped, you can race it almost
as is, but it's still street legal (just barely). Of course, this car is
like...
almost $100K?

If you budget is under $10K, perhaps you should consider racing
Karts. The unlimited series is pretty DARN fast... Some fancy racers
got those special MOTORCYCLE RACING ENGINES to power
their carts. Yikes!

--KC


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