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And I cant say I was that impressed...
Okey, I didnt get to tewak any settings etc. nor did I get the cahnce to
test it for any period of time...  but to me this *game*  was noting more
than a good looking  - game.

It was'nt stunning in any way like other titles I've seen before. GPL blew
me away when I first saw that in all it's glory..  same with N4..

GT3...  was... well... just O.K.

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Oh yes! No dash-board = no game here. Unless it is a go-kart of course. This
stupid "full screen" view with flying instruments looks too much as an
arcade-game for you to feel like in a real car. With force feedback wheel, a
real carchair, big monitor, surround sound, and then a flying instrument???
No way.

Another posting said something about Viper Racing, which I think is a pretty
good game, force feedback (allthough an old game), real "in-car" view, and
fun to drive. It is NOT enough with some pretty graphics. Look at GPL, a
real good racinggame, not the best looking, but one of the best to drive,
and with the best ForceFeedback I have ever felt in a racing game. When
fiddle around with the settings for FF in GPL (look at
http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for details), hold the car still on the track,
turn the steeringwheel full to the left, and remove your hands from the
wheel. Slowly add throttle, and as the car starts to move the steeringwheel
centers if you have set the right chamber / caster on your frontwheels.
THAT'S a simulator, although not as "modern" in graphics as many newer
games.

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Sven

I thought that Viper Racing had AI?

There is no "true" SVGA adapter for the PS2.  There are converters that
convert the TV signal to a VGA signal, but it's not a higher resolution
picture from the PS2.  The Dreamcast is capable of outputting a VGA signal.
The next console capable of VGA (and higher) resolution is the XBox.

You should have known better, she gave you an escape and you smacked
into the door. ;)

Cheers,
Rod.

All this is again fine: what you like is what you like.  But please all this
nonsense about GT3 being a "must have racer" is a bunch of crock.  It's a
must for those who like racing pretty much to bang....

Alanb

"Data point" from another PC auto sim enthusiast:

Rented a PS2 to play GT3.  2 days into it...

Yes, the graphics are amazing.  That's the big plus compared to GT and GT2.
For the rest, it seems basically like GT and GT2 with the same pluses and
minuses with a few improvements. For instance, I'd say they did improve the
interface (but that's not make or break, is it?)

Plus's:
*Duh, the graphics
*An interesting replay analyzer
*maybe they've upgraded the rally racing, but that's never been my thing
*Lots of cars compared to other games/sims, BUT (see minuses)

Plus (returned from GT, missing in GT2)
*Optional qualifying

Same Minuses as GT/GT2 (in my order of importance):
"Bungie" racing (Get behind, cars ahead slow.  Get ahead, cars behind speed
up).  Not a   *racing* sim until they allow you to defeat this.
*Still less than sim-level AI
*No***pit graphics.
*Only 5 cars to race against.
*Crashing and bumper-cars are still good ways to win (but I think they made the
crashing a more severe penalty this time).

New Minuses:
*Nowhere near as many cars as GT2.  They also concentrated on race cars instead
of everyday cars. Personal preference of course, but I liked GT/GT2 for being
able to drive Astra's, old CRX's, old 'Ludes, etc.  Here, I get 3 different
versions of race Supras.
*Got rid of the used car market (though it still has old Miata's, del Sol and
Corolla RWD SR5)

So, to me, the GT series scores on playability and I do consider it to be a
*driving* sim.  But it isn't a high fidelity *racing* sim.  I consider buying
the PSX for GT2 to be worthwhile.  Not sure I consider the same for the PS2 and
GT3 given the price (but the graphics are amazing :-).  If you already have a
PS2 and are reading this ng, you already have GT3, don't you :-)  It's a
no-brainer.

On some other console titles:

Bought a DC for F355.  Superior to GT in all sim regards.  But only a single
car to drive (and race against).  Big plus for real tracks.  AI cheated and
exhibited a bit of bungie-effect.  Lacks the GT playability.

Also bought Sega GT and MSR (Metropolis Street Racer). I agree with the
previous poster: recommend a "no bid" on those two.  Sega GT had horrble
controllability issues (with the stock DC controller).  While much better res
than GT and GT2, the car models looked pretty fake.  Also, the courses are
poor.  

MSR is an arcade game plain and simple.  Plus fairly unrealistic (though high
res) cars.  Only an arcade racer would think it was (a) difficult and (b)
realistic.  

BTW, I also used "Bleemcast" to play GT2 on the DC.  The graphics are very much
improved adding life to the title.  Alas, the controllability with the DC
gamepad leaves a lot to be desired.

I'd take GPL on the PC and NFL2k1 on the Dreamcast over Madden/GT3 any
day of the week.

F1RC does that too.

David G FIsher

Can you run GT3 on an SVGA monitor ??  That would be awesome, maybe it would
boost the graphics even a bit more.