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by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:30:53

BTW, I'm sure someone will probably say that those times are from four
months of practice, and that's why I can race competitively with the AI. The
Monza, Silverstone, and Imola times were first set during the last few days
of March, and the first day or two of April. I still have the hotlaps.

David G Fisher

> Mid 1:08's at Austria
> 1:19's Monza
> 1:20's Imola
> 1:20's Silverstone

> If I were to sit down and dedicate myself to chasing a hotlapping record,
I
> would have to lower all those times by 1-1.5 seconds. For racing the AI
with
> various amounts of fuel and tire wear, as I am now I can be competitive at
> expert level. If there's an accident, 9 out of ten times it's me who
caused
> it.

> David G Fisher

> > To give you an indication some of my times are:
> > early 1:08s at Austria
> > early 1:26s at Australia
> > late 1:20s at Imola
> > early 1:22s at Silverstone.
> > Not brilliant, but not bad either.
> > Does everyone else have the AI set to expert?
> > Iain

> > Mackenzie"

> > > >As has been offered many times on this group, just ask and myself (or
> > > >others) will post you replays from Albert Park or anywhere else to
> > > >demonstrate how well the AI race given a chance! None of the
shunting
> > off,
> > > >late breakin incidents, silly pile-ups etc that are mentioned by some
> > people
> > > >in this group.

> > > I'm curious. What kind of laptimes are you guys turning, as opposed
to
> > the
> > > people who have problems with the AI?

> > > Eldred
> > > --
> > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > > Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
> > > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...

> > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then
beats
> > you
> > > with experience...
> > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

by **Thom j** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:11:56

Dave H most of the regulars from Vroc wont post here anymore as there's
too much 'BullShit' as you see! So they opt to stay off! This is the
majority
of Vroc'er regulars too not the minority!!
Food for thought: How many posts have you seen from the true hotshoes
here during past year?? Not many.

<snipped>
| I agree we are not the end-all be-all of sim knowledge. But for what it
| is worth, the few times I do get on Vroc, I rarely recognize the
drivers.
<snipped again>
| dave henrie

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by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:30:06

On the other hand... does anybody care what the VROC hotshoes have to say?
;-)

And what's the difference? -it's just another bunch of guys bullshitting...
only they do so in chat instead of on a newsgroup.

Jan.
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by **Thom j** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:27:33

Jan whatever you think or don't [which means diddly-shit in the real world}
its sad that there are many extremely talented sim racers in Vroc that could
offer a lot to many! Even your 'ego-serving-self Jan but "O" well your loss!
So give yourself another kiss when you go by your mirror..

| On the other hand... does anybody care what the VROC hotshoes have to say?
| ;-)
| And what's the difference? -it's just another bunch of guys
bullshitting...
| only they do so in chat instead of on a newsgroup.
| Jan.

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by **Rod Princ** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:16:02

Iain,

I'd love to see a 15 lap race done against Expert AI in a Williams
at Melbourne that shows that you are able to not be punted, can
dive up the inside and outbreak the AI into the corner and the
AI conceeding the corner. Having to rely on corners where the AI
just can't accelerate out of effectively is poor.

I've tried many races where I'm generally punted at least once and
I'm unable to brake any later without visiting the grass *or* attempting
to dive under and outbrake the AI and being half a car length infront
before they turn into me and my rear wheel hitting their front. (I
guess I don't have to tell you what happens next...)

I'll grant you that mistakes that are often blamed on the AI can be your
own fault, but hitting a 1st gear corner from top speed and braking after
the 100m marker causes you to get punted is exceptionally frustrating.

Cheers,
Rod.

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:01:05

Rod
Can you accept large emails? Are you on broadband? If so, I'll do a 6 lap
race at Albert Park later and send you the replay. That should probably be
about 5Mb. Let me know.
Iain

> > Sorry, but clearly you are reading words that I didn't put into my post,
> > Frankie. No mention whatsoever about being selective. I will take any
> > circuit from scratch, do as many starts as you like and send you them
all
> > with date and time stamps to satisfy you.
> > Just tell me when to start. This has become an absurd argument. Do you
> > honestly think that DGF, me and many others would be defending a sim
that we
> > couldn't race with? Of course not.
> > As I said, just give me the word and I'll start those replays!
> > Iain

> Iain,

> I'd love to see a 15 lap race done against Expert AI in a Williams
> at Melbourne that shows that you are able to not be punted, can
> dive up the inside and outbreak the AI into the corner and the
> AI conceeding the corner. Having to rely on corners where the AI
> just can't accelerate out of effectively is poor.

> I've tried many races where I'm generally punted at least once and
> I'm unable to brake any later without visiting the grass *or* attempting
> to dive under and outbrake the AI and being half a car length infront
> before they turn into me and my rear wheel hitting their front. (I
> guess I don't have to tell you what happens next...)

> I'll grant you that mistakes that are often blamed on the AI can be your
> own fault, but hitting a 1st gear corner from top speed and braking after
> the 100m marker causes you to get punted is exceptionally frustrating.

> Cheers,
> Rod.

by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:22:52

Melbourne is one of the toughest tracks to pass someone (next to Monte
Carlo). Not an easy request.

I just did a race at Melbourne in expert mode (I am not very good at
Melbourne actually) and on lap 2 I pass Mr. *** himself (Michael
Schumacher) by outbraking him into turn 3 which is really one of the few
places in real life you can outbreak an opponent on that track. It's only 1
meg zipped so I sent it on to you.

David G Fisher

by **Rod Princ** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:23:11

Iain,

Should be fine. I'm on broadband. You can email it to;

Please give me hope. ;)

Cheers,
Rod.

by **Rod Princ** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:37:11

> Melbourne is one of the toughest tracks to pass someone (next to Monte
> Carlo). Not an easy request.

> I just did a race at Melbourne in expert mode (I am not very good at
> Melbourne actually) and on lap 2 I pass Mr. *** himself (Michael
> Schumacher) by outbraking him into turn 3 which is really one of the few
> places in real life you can outbreak an opponent on that track. It's only 1
> meg zipped so I sent it on to you.

Thanks David,

I'll keep an eye out. Hasn't hit my hotmail account yet.

Turn 3 is the turn I have most problems with and get punted most
often on. I brake after the 100m board and the AI still outbrakes
me. If I try and go any deeper I end up in the gravel trap.

Cheers,
Rod.

by **istof** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:09:00

to clarify. i'm not a GPL guru. Actually, I still have a >100
gplrank. I managed all my best times with a psx joypad. I only
recently bought my first wheel and am struggling to unlearn my bad
joypad habits and drive with a balanced brake and throttle.

I am currently relearning to play GPL with no-aids and am having a
hard time of it. I don't have 1000's of hours experience, but
definately way over 200 :) Most of it with a joypad though. darn.

As for F1RC, I tend to play with the AI on expert or just one below.
I still have the a little bit of throttle control and abs enabled so
even there I'm not at full difficulty. I'm seriously thinking now
that playing F1RC is spoiling my GPL learning, but dammit, its just
sooo satisfying to play.

Eldred, regarding your point about skills transfer from GPL to other
games, I guess it is true to an extent, but GPL seems to require a few
different skills than the modern games. I can switch pretty quickly
between GP3, F1RC & F12000CS, but the different grip, wickedd
throttle, turning with brake & throttle, etc, make playing GPL a very
diffent beast for me.

Anyway, my reverence for GPL is undisputed. I intend to put in a lot
of laps at kyalami today. I also intend to play Silverstone with F1RC
just to get me in the mood for the F1 today.

Tonight, I will probably have a little time with Gran Turismo 2 on the
emulator.

I'm not a zealot. GPL isn't my religion. F1RC certainly isn't the
best game I've ever played, but for me, its worth playing. The patch,
if one ever arrives, had better be worth the wait.

enjoy the F1 & CART today all of you. my predictions are maclarens
dominating the early to middle race, but michael finishing ahead of DC
anyway. 1-2 for Penske. Helio 2nd.

*embarassedly asks* is there any Nascar on today? (I have no idea).

Regards all,
istoff

by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:54:30

Somehow I don't think so, sorry. Their GPL experience is profoundly
different from mine (limiting things to the hotshoes here). There is more of
a gap than 50 seconds on GPLRank. A cultural difference, if you like.

BTW: I don't throw myself a kiss when I pass a mirror... I use the classic
Duke Nukem line. ;-)

Jan.
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by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:20:31

Jan.
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by **Thom j** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:15:21

Fwiw "istoff"
Yes Nascar WC is on the TV here 2:30pm EDT US..
Also I would feel most here in R.A.S. will agree with your assessment
in regards to any game-sim. Just the thought of anyone worshiping any
game-sim is ludicrous, idiotic & immature... Plus anyone who elude or
even infer about this should grow up.
Bottom line: These are all only stupid games on a pc!! I enjoy the***
out of many racing & non'racing games but the day I or anyone bows
to these 'game-sims' as anything more then a 'game' better get a life!

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| *embarassedly asks* is there any Nascar on today? (I have no idea).
| Regards all,
| istoff

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:24:27

>They do have the talent, and could transfer those skills, but they simply
>don't want to go through thewhole learning process again. Easier to run back
>to Mummy. :-)

>Iain McKenzie runs GPL all the time. So does Istoff. Ian Bell and other GPL
>drivers run F1RC and love it. I can only guess that they don't WORSHIP GPL,
>and that's why they can enjoy other sims. :-P

You seem to enjoy taking cheap shots. Not that some haven't done it to you,
but nothing will be accomplished by doing it back...

People have different tastes. What I enjoy might not be what you enjoy. I
think I remember you liking CMR, or something like that. I can't STAND rally
sims. I bought Rally Championship by Europress. I didn't like it, and it's
collecting dust on my shelf. Does that mean that I don't enjoy other sims?
Well, I didn't enjoy THAT one. That's all you can really say. Some of the
guys you're verbally sparring with have mentioned many other sims that they
also enjoy(Viper, N4, GP3, the list goes on...). Just because they don't
happen to like F1RC makes them evil people? Why?

Eldred
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Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
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by **Eldre** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:49:18

>Eldred, regarding your point about skills transfer from GPL to other
>games, I guess it is true to an extent, but GPL seems to require a few
>different skills than the modern games. I can switch pretty quickly
>between GP3, F1RC & F12000CS, but the different grip, wickedd
>throttle, turning with brake & throttle, etc, make playing GPL a very
>diffent beast for me.

I haven't played GP3 or F12CS recently, because of controller issues. I don't
own F1RC yet, but I seem to buy almost every racing that comes out eventually.

Yes - at 2pm Eastern, I believe.

Eldred
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rec.autos.simulators

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!

You all have to at least try F1RC!!!