"more of less" ok for me means not really up to the standards, thus it's
only a good hotlapper :)
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> >I've just uninstalled it. I thought it was just going to be a case
> >of get the braking points right and all will be well. Racing at Albert
> >Park alot of today and it was just total frustration.
> Couple of guys in this group think we are the problem and not the AI,
> no matter how many people say otherwise.
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> >As has been offered many times on this group, just ask and myself (or
> >others) will post you replays from Albert Park or anywhere else to
> >demonstrate how well the AI race given a chance! None of the shunting
off,
> >late breakin incidents, silly pile-ups etc that are mentioned by some
people
> >in this group.
> I'm curious. What kind of laptimes are you guys turning, as opposed to
the
> people who have problems with the AI?
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Maybe it isn't happening on your end, but it's happening at my end and
to me, that's all that matters.
Knowing that you are able to race the AI successfully does not give me
warm fuzzies..
Cheers,
Rod.
GO TO ANOTHER SIM FORUM LIKE HIGH GEAR, and you'll see others who agree with
Ian and myself.
This forum is not the "ultimate" collection of sim knowledge. In fact, it's
pretty average, predictable, and definitely bias. It's where the 100 GPL
regulars who race at VROC come to hold their daily GPL meeting, and trash
other sims so they feel better about their 1,000+ hour investment in the
same sim.
If you want technical info and news, it's fine. When you ask for opinions is
when it goes in the toilet.
Watch the AI race, check their lap times, and then practice until you can
match them or at least come close. Then there's few problems, which is how
it should be if you want realism. I practice a certain track until I can do
the above and then when it comes to racing the AI, I slot in nicely at the
first turn, and continue lap after lap until 9 times out of ten, I***up.
Not the AI.
Yes, it could be better and we'll see in the patch. The main thing needing
correction is the AI need to do a much better job at avoiding another car
that has spun or broken down on the track.
If you like multiplayer, F1 Relay is going to be released any time now, and
testers are racing 8 with great results. Not 22, but if I tried 100 races
with 21 or even 15 opponents, 99 of those races would be a waste of time
with a modern F1 sim. It's too hard for people to consistently be as quick
and precise as you need to be in order to have a clean race with a full
field of modern F1 cars.
David G Fisher
> >As has been offered many times on this group, just ask and myself (or
> >others)
> The only other is DGF. *Everyone*, including those who like F1RC,
> agree that the AI in FIRC is crap.
I agree we are not the end-all be-all of sim knowledge. But for what it
is worth, the few times I do get on Vroc, I rarely recognize the drivers.
Your advice is sound, and is similar to what we usually tell guys racing
offline on the ovals. There are certain spots on each track where you JUST
DON'T WANT TO BE. Once you've run enough laps, you'll start finding the
places the AI wants to go and learn to avoid them. Is that real? Is that
bad? I dunno.
A major problem with both Nascar Heat and N4. Heat has been out a year
and the patching process is still continuing.
8 would do for pickup races, but the lack of a full field would/will kill
ONLINE LEAGUES. I don't know WHY Papyrus seems to be the only company
capable of getting large fields online. Last I heard the F1 RST guys had a
server setup that could handle 22 cars, but I haven't seen it. The most
drivers I've competed with online in a modern F1(F1cs2k) is 6.
Someday I'd like to see how Rally sims handle multiplayer. I haven't
investigated those enough.
dave henrie
> David G Fisher
> > On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:42:03 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"
> > >As has been offered many times on this group, just ask and myself (or
> > >others)
> > The only other is DGF. *Everyone*, including those who like F1RC,
> > agree that the AI in FIRC is crap.
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Actually, my experience there at High Gear, which I visit a couple of times
daily, would tend to support Frank. Sure, there are a few people who claim
to have made it past the AI snafu (but even there, threads they start are
full of rejoinders that even with their modifications, the problems remain),
but by-and-large that forum's position on the Ubisoft AI is about the same
as what dominates here at RAS.
Considering that it's a dedicated forum, I'd say that ought to tell you
something.
So yes, there are people there who agree with you both, but you still seem
to be rather in the minority. That either makes you sim-gods who deftly nip
around the AI, or, more likely, something else . . .
Which is a shame, because if a bit more constructive criticism were aimed at
Ubisoft, even from minions and toadies, they might, might, m i g h t,
actually design, code and release a ***y patch.
F1RC is a good game, I play it a lot. It's a great base for a great sim,
but it's not there yet.
Notice: nothing in what I've written would constitute a "trashing" of
F1RC--not by a long shot. I drive GPL, I drive F1RC. I don't have to hate
one to enjoy the other. I am sorry for those that do.
--David K
> GO TO ANOTHER SIM FORUM LIKE HIGH GEAR, and you'll see others who agree
with
> Ian and myself.
> This forum is not the "ultimate" collection of sim knowledge. In fact,
it's
> pretty average, predictable, and definitely bias. It's where the 100 GPL
> regulars who race at VROC come to hold their daily GPL meeting, and trash
> other sims so they feel better about their 1,000+ hour investment in the
> same sim.
> If you want technical info and news, it's fine. When you ask for opinions
is
> when it goes in the toilet.
> Watch the AI race, check their lap times, and then practice until you can
> match them or at least come close. Then there's few problems, which is how
> it should be if you want realism. I practice a certain track until I can
do
> the above and then when it comes to racing the AI, I slot in nicely at the
> first turn, and continue lap after lap until 9 times out of ten, I***
up.
> Not the AI.
> Yes, it could be better and we'll see in the patch. The main thing needing
> correction is the AI need to do a much better job at avoiding another car
> that has spun or broken down on the track.
> If you like multiplayer, F1 Relay is going to be released any time now,
and
> testers are racing 8 with great results. Not 22, but if I tried 100 races
> with 21 or even 15 opponents, 99 of those races would be a waste of time
> with a modern F1 sim. It's too hard for people to consistently be as quick
> and precise as you need to be in order to have a clean race with a full
> field of modern F1 cars.
> David G Fisher
> > On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:42:03 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"
> > >As has been offered many times on this group, just ask and myself (or
> > >others)
> > The only other is DGF. *Everyone*, including those who like F1RC,
> > agree that the AI in FIRC is crap.
If I were to sit down and dedicate myself to chasing a hotlapping record, I
would have to lower all those times by 1-1.5 seconds. For racing the AI with
various amounts of fuel and tire wear, as I am now I can be competitive at
expert level. If there's an accident, 9 out of ten times it's me who caused
it.
David G Fisher
> Mackenzie"
> > >As has been offered many times on this group, just ask and myself (or
> > >others) will post you replays from Albert Park or anywhere else to
> > >demonstrate how well the AI race given a chance! None of the shunting
> off,
> > >late breakin incidents, silly pile-ups etc that are mentioned by some
> people
> > >in this group.
> > I'm curious. What kind of laptimes are you guys turning, as opposed to
> the
> > people who have problems with the AI?
> > Eldred
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> > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
> you
> > with experience...
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> Well if you take only the good ones and eliminate everything else, it's
> normal. I could do that with every game on the market, even the one with
> the worst AI in existence.
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People like Istoff say they race both and he doesn't have much trouble with
the AI either.
The whiners (every where in life) tend to make a lot more noise than those
who are satisfied. The ones who whine the most at HG always seem to throw in
a comment at the end of their post which exposes them as GPL, F12K, or GP3
zealots. Probably learned their craft here at r.a.s.
"More likely, something else"
"Toadies"
Cute, backhanded insults directed at me and Iain.
David G Fisher
> Actually, my experience there at High Gear, which I visit a couple of
times
> daily, would tend to support Frank. Sure, there are a few people who
claim
> to have made it past the AI snafu (but even there, threads they start are
> full of rejoinders that even with their modifications, the problems
remain),
> but by-and-large that forum's position on the Ubisoft AI is about the same
> as what dominates here at RAS.
> Considering that it's a dedicated forum, I'd say that ought to tell you
> something.
> So yes, there are people there who agree with you both, but you still seem
> to be rather in the minority. That either makes you sim-gods who deftly
nip
> around the AI, or, more likely, something else . . .
> Which is a shame, because if a bit more constructive criticism were aimed
at
> Ubisoft, even from minions and toadies, they might, might, m i g h t,
> actually design, code and release a ***y patch.
> F1RC is a good game, I play it a lot. It's a great base for a great sim,
> but it's not there yet.
> Notice: nothing in what I've written would constitute a "trashing" of
> F1RC--not by a long shot. I drive GPL, I drive F1RC. I don't have to
hate
> one to enjoy the other. I am sorry for those that do.
> --David K
> > No Noddy.
> > GO TO ANOTHER SIM FORUM LIKE HIGH GEAR, and you'll see others who agree
> with
> > Ian and myself.
> > This forum is not the "ultimate" collection of sim knowledge. In fact,
> it's
> > pretty average, predictable, and definitely bias. It's where the 100 GPL
> > regulars who race at VROC come to hold their daily GPL meeting, and
trash
> > other sims so they feel better about their 1,000+ hour investment in the
> > same sim.
> > If you want technical info and news, it's fine. When you ask for
opinions
> is
> > when it goes in the toilet.
> > Watch the AI race, check their lap times, and then practice until you
can
> > match them or at least come close. Then there's few problems, which is
how
> > it should be if you want realism. I practice a certain track until I can
> do
> > the above and then when it comes to racing the AI, I slot in nicely at
the
> > first turn, and continue lap after lap until 9 times out of ten, I***
> up.
> > Not the AI.
> > Yes, it could be better and we'll see in the patch. The main thing
needing
> > correction is the AI need to do a much better job at avoiding another
car
> > that has spun or broken down on the track.
> > If you like multiplayer, F1 Relay is going to be released any time now,
> and
> > testers are racing 8 with great results. Not 22, but if I tried 100
races
> > with 21 or even 15 opponents, 99 of those races would be a waste of time
> > with a modern F1 sim. It's too hard for people to consistently be as
quick
> > and precise as you need to be in order to have a clean race with a full
> > field of modern F1 cars.
> > David G Fisher
> > > On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:42:03 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"
> > > >As has been offered many times on this group, just ask and myself (or
> > > >others)
> > > The only other is DGF. *Everyone*, including those who like F1RC,
> > > agree that the AI in FIRC is crap.
Eldred
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Iain McKenzie runs GPL all the time. So does Istoff. Ian Bell and other GPL
drivers run F1RC and love it. I can only guess that they don't WORSHIP GPL,
and that's why they can enjoy other sims. :-P
David G Fisher
> >There's quite a bit more than just a few. From the number of posts it
has,
> >and continues to get, it's the most popular sim at the HG forums by a
wide
> >margin. After the patch, it will likely be even more popular. What's
> >happened here at r.a.s. is that some of the GPL clan tried F1RC for a
bit,
> >couldn't excel, and quickly ran back to their sim which they have
invested
> >1,000+ hours. They are good at that now, and don't want to move on.
> It seems like someone who is good at GPL *has* to have some driving skill.
> Either it's a natural talent(there are a few guys like that), or they've
taken
> time to practice and learn. Now - why wouldn't either of those
> attributes(talent or perseverance) transfer to F1RC? It seems like it
should.
> Eldred
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