rec.autos.simulators

by **Gerry Aitke** » Tue, 11 Jun 2002 05:19:34

> The F1 races have 350 million viewers per race. The NASCAR races draw about
> 13 million. Who are the idiots?

F1 isn't that big in the States, but online racing could play it's part
in changing that.

Stop being an FIA fan boy for just a moment and you might be able to
work it out.

by **David Powel** » Mon, 10 Jun 2002 05:32:38

Sadly all modem users are idoits....im No.10 in the world at GPL as you may
know..but sadly can get adsl in my area.....sadly then i cant play f1 2002
either...also shame for Greger Huttu, who i think is also still on
modem....and various top level drivers....pathetic state of affairs....

> >Both are possible. I use this settings: (in my .plr-file)

> >Net Data Rate="22" // client setting (this way, it sends less data, which
> >makes it much better. Default was at 32.)
> >Max MP Players="4" (yes, maximum of 4 players online. My 256/1Mbit cable
> >handle this just fine)
> >Closed MP Qualify Sessions="1" // if true, the session will be closed
during
> >qualify, so as to not disturb the participants

> I meant connection quality restrictions, such as minimum latency. It's
good
> that you gan kick out idiots, though.

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by **Morgan Boo** » Tue, 11 Jun 2002 05:51:18

So although online may be out of reach you sort of complement the driving
model...

Might this mean an appearance within the hotlap lists from you..?

Or is the meaning of the complaints to show you have no interest in the game
coz you are off the pace...?

Thus making you good(by that i mean top 10 in the world type good) at only
one game..?

This explaining your no show in any 'fast' lists other than GPL(an aquired
taste if ever there was one)

I hope i am wrong.....

Morgan

by **David Powel** » Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:21:01

I played for 4hrs yesterday is 1:22.56 at monza any good? :) i think my pace
is not in question, what is in question is lack of features and polish
compared to GPL/N4/N2002 this game compared to its papyrus counterparts is
rubbish..

Im sure as when the GPL players turn a few laps in F1 2002 they will be the
fastest as always...

Off the pace dont make me laugh! :) I dont play other games apart from the
above, as there nt worth playing in comparison to the finest sims currently
available produced by papyrus...why play the trash that has been released by
other game developers over the last 4 years when the top sim is still GPL
for online community spirit and technical challenges...

As someone who has met up with the all the top european sim racers on
several occasions at LAN events in holland, and competed at the highest
level possible in sim racing for the last 3 years with the top20 sim drivers
in the world, i can assure you F1 2002 is a big let down...

Anyone "in the know" will assure you on F1 2002's faults just as i will....

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:34:14

Lol.

So much to pick on in your posts but I'll just keep it short and simple.

1. GPL has been out for four years. Any achievement with a sim that's been
out that long, and played that much by anyone, is absolutely, positively not
impressive in any way to me. I'm not impressed by hotlappers.......ever. I
hotlap myself sometimes, and when I want to match the top times in various
racing games/sims, I've always been able to. Guess what? I didn't impress
myself, regretted the time I wasted, and got the feeling like I'd just eaten
way too much chocolate.

2. N2002 is better than GPL. F12001 is better than N2002 in many areas.
F12002 is better than F12001.

3. Why being good in GPL or any other sim entitles that person to be able to
play F12002 online with a 56k modem escapes me.

David G Fisher

> I played for 4hrs yesterday is 1:22.56 at monza any good? :) i think my
pace
> is not in question, what is in question is lack of features and polish
> compared to GPL/N4/N2002 this game compared to its papyrus counterparts is
> rubbish..

> Im sure as when the GPL players turn a few laps in F1 2002 they will be
the
> fastest as always...

> Off the pace dont make me laugh! :) I dont play other games apart from the
> above, as there nt worth playing in comparison to the finest sims
currently
> available produced by papyrus...why play the trash that has been released
by
> other game developers over the last 4 years when the top sim is still GPL
> for online community spirit and technical challenges...

> As someone who has met up with the all the top european sim racers on
> several occasions at LAN events in holland, and competed at the highest
> level possible in sim racing for the last 3 years with the top20 sim
drivers
> in the world, i can assure you F1 2002 is a big let down...

> Anyone "in the know" will assure you on F1 2002's faults just as i
will....

> > So although online may be out of reach you sort of complement the
driving
> > model...

> > Might this mean an appearance within the hotlap lists from you..?

> > Or is the meaning of the complaints to show you have no interest in the
> game
> > coz you are off the pace...?

> > Thus making you good(by that i mean top 10 in the world type good) at
only
> > one game..?

> > This explaining your no show in any 'fast' lists other than GPL(an
aquired
> > taste if ever there was one)

> > I hope i am wrong.....

> > Morgan

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:38:33

Yea, I can sure see how online racing in a sim is going to change that.

I thought that adding more U.S. races and actually putting some effort and
money into promoting the sport here would play a much, much larger part in
increased viewership, but I guess I'm wrong.

A motorsport that has 25 x the viewership of another should definitely look
to that lesser watched series for advice.

David G Fisher

> > The F1 races have 350 million viewers per race. The NASCAR races draw
about
> > 13 million. Who are the idiots?

> F1 isn't that big in the States, but online racing could play it's part
> in changing that.

> Stop being an FIA fan boy for just a moment and you might be able to
> work it out.

by **Gerry Aitke** » Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:40:29

> So although online may be out of reach you sort of complement the driving
> model...

> Might this mean an appearance within the hotlap lists from you..?

Could it be that Dave sets his fastest lap times ONLINE while racing?

'Game'? You mean racing simulation, don't you? Or can you even tell the
difference? Racing full fields of humans in an integral part of the
hobby for a lot of use.

I take it you never 'aquired' the taste then?

On this occasion you don't seem to have broken the habit of a lifetime.

Yours sneeringly

GA

by **David Powel** » Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:47:30

Also I doubt youll see my name in the hotlap lists as ive done more than
enough droning out on my own hotlapping in the past...Once youve tried a
game where you can race 10inches from the exhaust of the car infront lap
after lap with top quality opponents online the offline thing holds very
limited appeal. Also setting PB's in online league race qually sessions is
far more fun. Although from my early experiences with F1 2002 i'd say theres
far to many kids driving around without the slightest idea of racecraft or
how to lap consistantly or pass cleanly.

Plus for me the main reason for hotlapping was to test setups and improve
laptimes for online league races, as MP in F1 2002 is so poor it hardly
warrents wasting more effort on it than one day. As playing on your own
after youve been part of the best online community of any game ive come
across for the last 4 years online, online play and the community is
certainly a huge part of longevity of play and formation of a society.

GPL community comes across a bit stuck up, but then there no flaming, no
***s, a very dedicated group of editors and league admins. Even going to N4
online is like stepping into a kindergarten of flaming and poor careless
driving.

If F1 2002 had the facilities and polish of GPL in regards MPlayer usage, id
hang up my GPL boots and give it some commitment, my sole gripe is online
play, after the GPL community MPlayer is everything. Without the MP getting
into F1 2002 seriously would be a step backwards and always a compremise in
enjoyment after the highs and lows of 3 years of top line sim racing.

Also I dont see F1 2002 being able to host 20players, after GPL and N4 which
host the top level drivers in all manner of leagues from full GP to short
races, such depth cannot be achieved..

All I wanted from f12002 was a good sim that can make a good change of
direction for the GPL community...but hey guys, looks like we'll be waiting
another 3 years for World Sports Cars or GPL2 1976 :)