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So now that NASCAR 2 is out and Daytona was NOT included how about some of you
hacking wizards producing a DAYTONA Patch.

I remember this topic was considered off limits and Daytona threatened everybody
who was attempting to release the patch a few months ago but now that we once
again do not get to race Daytona lets stick it to em and get our OWN TRACK out
there.

With the recent release of DAYTONA USA (which sucks by the way) there should  be
plenty of graphics and artwork to use as source material for a NASCAR 2
compatible version of this track.

HOW ABOUT IT???

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-- Carl Hammarlund

Well***Daytona and***SEGA.  Let's do it ourselves.  Somebody out there
must have the coding skills to pull this off!  And while your at it - whip up an
Indy track conversion too! (;-)

: Yeah - like we all haven't heard their broken promises before.  It was only
: months ago that the Daytona patch was on the verge of releasing and the
: corporate big-wigs jumped in and said NO NO NO - if you cease and desist we will
: put Daytona in N2.  Well the patch was promptly SNUFFED OUT and now 4 months
: later NO DAYTONA.

Well that's in the corporate's right to defend the exclusive deal with
Daytona.  It is copyright infringement.  As stated numerous time here that
Sega looses its rights in April and hopefully Sierra/Papyrus is
negotiating a deal to bring Daytona to Nascar 2 and NRL.

:
: Well***Daytona and***SEGA.  Let's do it ourselves.  Somebody out there
: must have the coding skills to pull this off!  And while your at it - whip up an
: Indy track conversion too! (;-)

I'm sure when Gerhard (sp) gets his copy of N2, that he'll be hard at work
to try convert Indy.  As for Sega, well most of us here know what quality
game Daytona USA is or isn't and should stick to console games.

EH

Of course there is no official Daytona yet.  There legally can't be
one, as Sega still has the exclusive license for the track.  Only after
it expires can one be made, and with Nascar behind it I fully expect it
to happen.

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I hope they include the new tracks as they come to Nascar, such as
California and Texas...

Personally, the cynic in me is just waiting for a the proverbial other
shoe to drop--if an official Daytona track gets released.

Imagine this: the Daytona track would ONLY be distributed if you are a
paying member of the NRO!

Sure, all it would take is for one guy to post it on his web site, but
hey... the more I hear about it, the less I feel inclined to get on TEN.
Of course, I don't have WIN95 or a 28.8 (or faster) modem, or even a
Pentium for that matter!

Aside from all that cynicism, I sure would like to see a track pack that
features Daytona, Indy, N. Las Vegas, Texas, and California.  In my
dreams, of course.  And when pigs fly.  And when Lucifer starts buying
parkas wholesale.
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: Yeah - like we all haven't heard their broken promises before.  It was
only
: months ago that the Daytona patch was on the verge of releasing and the
: corporate big-wigs jumped in and said NO NO NO - if you cease and desist
we will
: put Daytona in N2.  Well the patch was promptly SNUFFED OUT and now 4
months
: later NO DAYTONA.

Hi Mark, I can assure that nobody, read nobody, said if you don't release
the Daytona patch we'll let Papyrus put it in the game.  I think what they
said was, don't release the Daytona patch or we'll sue your ass.  And I
might add, rightly so. In copyright/trademark law, you must do everything
possible to protect your trademark, or you lose it.  Period.

Adam
Papyrus

Not once, did I ever hear any "corporate big-wigs" promise to put Daytona
in N2. What was actually said, by either Ed or Adam, was that continued
efforts to make an infringing version of Daytona would likely sabotage
Papyrus' efforts to secure the rights to it.

I heard Marc Nelson (SRN) say recently that Sega had managed to secure
exclusive rights to Daytona for another 3 years. If so, that means no
Daytona for N2, and perhaps no Daytona for N3. But before you start
lambasting Papyrus for it, get the facts straight: It was never in their
hands to decide this. As I understand it, Sega's agreement with ISC gave
them an option to renew their exclusive rights, and it appears that they
exercised that option. Se Fine.

Dave (davids) Sparks
Late Night League
http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

n Nascar 2 at Darlington with Daytona USA on it...........

The corporate big-wigs stepped in and said NO NO NO because Daytona was
getting pissed off
and wwe could have ruined ANY CHANCE at getting the license from them.
Nobody at Papy or Sierra
ever said it would be included in the initial release of Nascar 2.  In
fact Adam had said
numerous times that the the license with SEGA does not expire until April.

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shooting through ***space:

Your understanding is mostly correct -- Papyrus first needs to secure
a license (doesn't have to be exclusive) to use the track and its
likenesses.  ISC are more apt to give such a license if there aren't
some slap-happy pirateers on the Internet flaunting a hacked Daytona
in their faces.

However, it's not gonna happen any time soon.  If you've noticed,
Daytona USA is now out for PC, which leads me to believe that Sega
exercised their right to renew the exclusive license for another three
years.

FWIW, Papyrus wants to do Daytona and Indianapolis DESPERATELY, but
the licensing issue is preventing it.  Those on r.a.s. that are
condemning the Watertown gang for the problem are shooting blanks at
the wrong target.
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