rec.autos.simulators

by **Jim Sokolof** » Sat, 21 Dec 1996 04:00:00

> >> >---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus
> >> Jim, if I'm not mistaken you guys have a display at the Daytona USA
> >> themepark don't you? I assume that if you can get hold of the Daytona
> >> International Speedway rights this spring you'll be able to get it out
> >> fast because of your version at Daytona USA? :)

> >> Brad
> >Yep who knows they could be secretly working on a track pack right now.
> >--

> Whatdaya mean - "COULD BE"....they are racing Daytona right now over at
> Papyrus....

Just for the record, we do have an interactive exhibit of a qualifying
run at the Daytona USA amu***t facility. That track model is not
compatible with the off the shelf version of NASCAR 1. In fact, we
excluded Daytona from our in-house racing series because we didn't have
the Daytona track in the right format for us to use. We don't have it,
and even if we did, we do not have the rights to release it in any form.

---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

by **Todd Benz** » Sun, 22 Dec 1996 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: DAYTONA Patch for NASCAR 2
>Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 00:18:53 -0500

>> >> >---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus
>> >> Jim, if I'm not mistaken you guys have a display at the Daytona USA
>> >> themepark don't you? I assume that if you can get hold of the Daytona
>> >> International Speedway rights this spring you'll be able to get it out
>> >> fast because of your version at Daytona USA? :)

>> >> Brad
>> >Yep who knows they could be secretly working on a track pack right now.
>> >--

>> Whatdaya mean - "COULD BE"....they are racing Daytona right now over at
>> Papyrus....
>Just for the record, we do have an interactive exhibit of a qualifying
>run at the Daytona USA amu***t facility. That track model is not
>compatible with the off the shelf version of NASCAR 1. In fact, we
>excluded Daytona from our in-house racing series because we didn't have
>the Daytona track in the right format for us to use. We don't have it,
>and even if we did, we do not have the rights to release it in any form.
>---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

Jim,

Shoot straight with us, is there ANY chance that we will see the Daytona track
for NASCAR 2 in 1997???

All we want to know is if there is a chance.

Regards,

Todd

by **simrac..** » Mon, 23 Dec 1996 04:00:00

PMFJI, but Sega has the rights tied up on Daytona for the next
three years...sorry to be the one to tell ya' :(

Best Regards,

Marc J. Nelson
Sim Racing News - USA
http://members.aol.com/simracing/
http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm

by **ANTRACE** » Mon, 23 Dec 1996 04:00:00

> Benzer) writes:

> >All we want to know is if there is a chance.

> PMFJI, but Sega has the rights tied up on Daytona for the next
> three years...sorry to be the one to tell ya' :(

> Best Regards,

> Marc J. Nelson

Seeing is its all about $$$$, how many of us would pay sega 5$ on top
of the track cost just to race at daytona? I probably would, sega would
make some $$$ for doing nothing and we could all just get along. Or is
that too simple????
ANTRACER

by **simrac..** » Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:00:00

writes:

Not I...I would figure that Sega would want to stick their noses in all
the
files, and given that the game Daytona-USA is a pile of crap, Papyrus is
better-off without this headache.

Best Regards,

Marc J. Nelson
Sim Racing News - USA
http://members.aol.com/simracing/index.htm

by **Mark Smi** » Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:00:00

DAYTONA USA is a big piece of shit - you think that Daytona would want their
track represented by a professional simulation software firm rather than some
3rd rate arcade piece of crap.... I can't believe SEGA got the rights for 3
more years. Daytona must be as screwed up as Indy these days.....

>writes:

>>Seeing is its all about $$$$, how many of us would pay sega 5$ on top
>>of the track cost just to race at daytona? I probably would, sega would
>>make some $$$ for doing nothing and we could all just get along. Or is
>>that too simple????

>Not I...I would figure that Sega would want to stick their noses in all
>the
>files, and given that the game Daytona-USA is a pile of crap, Papyrus is
>better-off without this headache.

>Best Regards,

>Marc J. Nelson
>Sim Racing News - USA
>http://members.aol.com/simracing/index.htm

by **ANTRACE** » Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:00:00

> DAYTONA USA is a big piece of shit - you think that Daytona would want their
> track represented by a professional simulation software firm rather than some
> 3rd rate arcade piece of crap.... I can't believe SEGA got the rights for 3
> more years. Daytona must be as screwed up as Indy these days.....

> >writes:

> >>Seeing is its all about $$$$, how many of us would pay sega 5$ on top
> >>of the track cost just to race at daytona? I probably would, sega would
> >>make some $$$ for doing nothing and we could all just get along. Or is
> >>that too simple????

> >Not I...I would figure that Sega would want to stick their noses in all
> >the
> >files, and given that the game Daytona-USA is a pile of crap, Papyrus is
> >better-off without this headache.

> >Best Regards,

> >Marc J. Nelson
> >Sim Racing News - USA
> >http://members.aol.com/simracing/index.htm

> All the 5$ is for is the right to use the daytona name- (like a sublet aprtment?) like you I think the sega version blows wind, in fact without the daytona name it probly wouldn't sell at all. By paying sega for the priviledge of using a track that should be here anyway, we would also be paying them to stay out of the product that was produced. Here's 5$, you see nothing, you hear nothing, you know nothing, Get it? that's also why it won't happen, cuz the laywers wouldn't have nothig to do after they wrote the 2 sentences it would take to do it.

by **Bill Hutso** » Wed, 01 Jan 1997 04:00:00

> writes:

> >Seeing is its all about $$$$, how many of us would pay sega 5$ on top
> >of the track cost just to race at daytona? I probably would, sega would
> >make some $$$ for doing nothing and we could all just get along. Or is
> >that too simple????

> Not I...I would figure that Sega would want to stick their noses in all
> the
> files, and given that the game Daytona-USA is a pile of crap, Papyrus is
> better-off without this headache.

> Best Regards,

> Marc J. Nelson
> Sim Racing News - USA
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Question-Why in the hell would Daytona sell rights to Sega when Daytona
USA is just a game with 1 mile and a half or so oval that doesn't look
anything like Daytona and two freakin road coarses? My god! They must be
the dumbest sons da ***es in the world! Why didn't they just name
their game Pocono Usa? The track looks like Pocono anyways. I'd rather
race the high banks of Daytona than the flat boring turns of Pocono.
Solution-Sierra should make a track exactly like Daytona called "Dayton"
That way it could be a fantasy track in Dayton, OH. Then, include a
track editor to add the "a" on the wall. Just my $0.02
Happy New Year
Have fun Tonight!

by **Jim Sokolo** » Wed, 01 Jan 1997 04:00:00

On Tue, 31 Dec 1996 01:18:32 -0500, Bill Hutson

>Question-Why in the hell would Daytona sell rights to Sega when Daytona
>USA is just a game with 1 mile and a half or so oval that doesn't look
>anything like Daytona and two freakin road coarses? My god! They must be
>the dumbest sons da ***es in the world! Why didn't they just name
>their game Pocono Usa?

The almighty dollar my friend. Daytona is a bigger name than Pocono
(by far), and Sega was willing to pay multiple millions of dollars for
the rights to use the Daytona name. From a counting-the-beans business
standpoint, Daytona did the right thing...

If Sega wants to license my name for that kind of money, they sure as
hell can!!!

---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

by **Larry Abel** » Wed, 01 Jan 1997 04:00:00

> On Tue, 31 Dec 1996 01:18:32 -0500, Bill Hutson

> >Question-Why in the hell would Daytona sell rights to Sega when Daytona
> >USA is just a game with 1 mile and a half or so oval that doesn't look
> >anything like Daytona and two freakin road coarses? My god! They must be
> >the dumbest sons da ***es in the world! Why didn't they just name
> >their game Pocono Usa?

> The almighty dollar my friend. Daytona is a bigger name than Pocono
> (by far), and Sega was willing to pay multiple millions of dollars for
> the rights to use the Daytona name. From a counting-the-beans business
> standpoint, Daytona did the right thing...

> If Sega wants to license my name for that kind of money, they sure as
> hell can!!!

Ditto for me too!

Larry Abels
--
____- /\
____- /**\ HOME: http://www.racesimcentral.net/
__L_- /****\

__J_- /** -- **\
____- /**/----\**\ Check my HOME Page for ORIGINAL
____- /**/ \**\ Modified Stock Car Stuff!
- --- 812 ---

by **bigd..** » Wed, 01 Jan 1997 04:00:00

writes:

Now thats what I love about Jim posting in here.
Hes got the balls to be honest and tell it like it is :-)

by **Jim Weagle** » Wed, 01 Jan 1997 04:00:00

> writes:

> >The almighty dollar my friend. Daytona is a bigger name than Pocono
> >(by far), and Sega was willing to pay multiple millions of dollars for
> >the rights to use the Daytona name. From a counting-the-beans business
> >standpoint, Daytona did the right thing...

> >If Sega wants to license my name for that kind of money, they sure as
> >hell can!!!

> >---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

> Now thats what I love about Jim posting in here.
> Hes got the balls to be honest and tell it like it is :-)

Now that they have the rights to DAYTONA for 3 years how about a patch
to make DAYTONA....What do you say hackers....

by **Andy Bac** » Thu, 02 Jan 1997 04:00:00

>> Why have they let Papyrus build ans install the Daytona track ther eand not
>> released in NASCAR 2 is a good Q. for the Sierra folks and ISC
>> (International Speedway Corp.) Any Official Comments?
> I (personally) want to include Daytona with our products. Sega's
> license (from ISC) prevents us from doing that, as our product is for
> home entertainment on computers.

> IMO, Sierra/Papyrus are not the bad guys here, capriciously
> withholding Daytona from you. (What would we possibly have to gain by
> doing that?)

OK - I understand everything said but one question begs to be asked:

Is there any chance of getting Daytona for Nascar vX.x before the current
contract with Sega expires (i.e. Is Papyrus/Sierra thinking about/currently
pursuing an agreement with Sega to have this track made available) ? I must
say I sincerely doubt Sega would go for such a thing, even if they were given
a cut of the royalties. But it would be nice. *sigh*

One more question - is there another track pack in the works/being discussed?
Texas, Las Vegas and Indy would also be nice.

Later.

Andy Backa The only skills I have the patience to learn are

- Calvin and Hobbes

Chewey Pages: http://www.cs.unb.ca/grads/b9yc/web/chewey.html

by **Keith Mille** » Thu, 02 Jan 1997 04:00:00

After all these posts. Has anyone been to the new Daytona USA attraction in
Daytona? Right in the middle of the place are 12 or so racing sims set up.
ALL of them are the Daytona track (very realistic) where you can run a
couple qualifying laps. This software is Papyrus NASCAR racing!. Not Sega!
Why have they let Papyrus build ans install the Daytona track ther eand not
released in NASCAR 2 is a good Q. for the Sierra folks and ISC
(International Speedway Corp.) Any Official Comments?

Keith Miller.

BTW I clocked 188.23 lap there, they have a huge LED scoreboard with the
top 10 times. Very Cool.

Hapy New Year!

by **Rick Navrati** » Thu, 02 Jan 1997 04:00:00

I don't know if it will help, but if this DAYTONA/SEGA arrangement
bothers anyone, try the discussion section of http://www.daytonausa.com/
This is the web site for International Speedway Corporation, the parent
company of Daytona, Talladega, etc. Maybe ISC would be impressed by a
lot of postings from NASCAR sim fans. After all, from their
perspective, this is ultimately about furthering the fan interest in the
real sport, isn't it? NASCAR Racing has to be better at that than a
SEGA game. Maybe one of their bean-counters is a sim fan!