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by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:45:02

Congratulations to Cory, Ginger, and Brian.

Another tough, three yellow (6 out of last 9) 50% race.

Track: CHICAGOLAND SPEEDWAY
Date: 07/10/04

Session: Practice

P # DRIVER TIME
1 19 DaveGF 29.330
2 6 Neil__C 29.352
3 98 LTB-Racer 29.370
4 170 Tim_Pankhurst 29.373
5 7 Dick-Trickle 29.452
6 27 BOster 29.476
7 33 Coorzman 29.518
8 1 Mitch_RAS 29.521
9 11 LizardspitRAS 29.525
10 42 bluestringer 29.534
11 317 ShepherdRAS 29.561
12 103 JurjenvanderLelij 29.635
13 65 Pat Cardiff 29.687
14 2 tpaullin 29.858
15 45 Bamadano 29.864
16 67 UweSchuerkamp 29.897
17 99 Elrikk 29.933
18 07 mcfadds 30.511

Weather: Clear, 70 F, Southwest 0 mph

Session: Qualifying

P # DRIVER TIME
1 27 BOster 29.381
2 6 Neil__C 29.408
3 7 Dick-Trickle 29.418
4 11 LizardspitRAS 29.508
5 170 Tim_Pankhurst 29.572
6 317 ShepherdRAS 29.582
7 98 LTB-Racer 29.629
8 33 Coorzman 29.669
9 103 JurjenvanderLelij 29.713
10 19 DaveGF 29.714
11 1 Mitch_RAS 29.826
12 45 Bamadano 29.856
13 65 Pat Cardiff 29.859
14 67 UweSchuerkamp 29.884
15 42 bluestringer 29.959
16 99 Elrikk 29.973
17 07 mcfadds 30.640
18 2 tpaullin 30.641
19 26 epickett 30.712
20 03 ShepherdRAS --

Weather: Clear, 70 F, Southwest 0 mph

Session: Happy Hour

P # DRIVER TIME
1 7 Dick-Trickle 29.412
2 170 Tim_Pankhurst 29.593
3 42 bluestringer 29.613
4 33 Coorzman 29.643
5 98 LTB-Racer 29.650
6 317 ShepherdRAS 29.669
7 19 DaveGF 29.730
8 45 Bamadano 29.763
9 6 Neil__C 30.033
10 2 tpaullin 30.070
11 65 Pat Cardiff 30.096
12 103 JurjenvanderLelij 30.245
13 26 epickett 30.365
14 99 Elrikk 30.632
15 07 mcfadds 30.633
16 11 LizardspitRAS 30.714
17 27 BOster 37.525

Weather: Clear, 70 F, Southwest 0 mph

Session: Race
OFFICIAL STANDINGS

F S # DRIVER INTERVAL LAPS LED POINTS STATUS
1 8 33 Coorzman 154.226 134 57* 185 Running
2 3 7 Dick-Trickle -1.34 134 47 175 Running
3 1 27 BOster -5.57 134 0 165 Running
4 10 19 DaveGF -12.06 134 0 160 Running
5 15 42 bluestringer -12.47 134 0 155 Running
6 9 103 JurjenvanderLelij -15.17 134 0 150 Running
7 4 11 LizardspitRAS -16.27 134 0 146 Running
8 13 65 Pat Cardiff -25.40 134 2 147 Running
9 2 6 Neil__C -1L 133 8 143 Running
10 5 170 Tim_Pankhurst -1L 133 20 139 Running
11 7 98 LTB-Racer -2L 132 0 130 Running
12 18 2 tpaullin -4L 130 0 127 Running
13 16 99 Elrikk -7L 127 0 124 Running
14 6 317 ShepherdRAS -35L 99 0 121 Disco
15 11 1 Mitch_RAS -35L 99 0 118 Retired
16 17 07 mcfadds -44L 90 0 115 Retired
17 19 26 epickett -84L 50 0 112 Retired
18 14 67 UweSchuerkamp -101L 33 0 109 Retired
19 12 45 Bamadano -128L 6 0 106 Wheel

Caution Flags: 3 (12 laps)
Lead Changes: 8 (5 drivers)
Weather: Clear, 70 F, Southwest 0 mph
Pitstop Frequency: 1x

PENALTIES
LAP # INFRACTION PENALTY
33 67 Entering closed pits Go to end of longest line
34 67 Passing under yellow Held for 27 seconds
71 99 Speeding in pits Drive through pit lane
92 170 Unsafe pit exit Go to end of longest line
86 07 Unsafe pit exit Go to end of longest line
125 99 Speeding in pits Stop and go

by **Uwe Sch??rkam** » Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:34:08

> Congratulations to Cory, Ginger, and Brian.

> Another tough, three yellow (6 out of last 9) 50% race.

I would have loved to complete this one, but an early nudge from the
wall (hehe) left me with a damaged engine that apparently could not be
fixed in the pits.

when the 2nd yellow came out I was well on my way into the pits to
give the mechs another go at fixing it and was promptly penalized
for "entering a closed pit". 8-P

Being five laps down that early on in the race I decided to park
it. Hope you guys had fun!

Cheers,

uwe

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:55:18

Not really. I was way off the pace, and got lapped by lap 13 or 15. The only
car I was faster than was you, and you only had half an engine. Even Sean, who
had pranged the wall was faster. Being that much slower than everyone else
didn't seem like a fun way to spend an afternoon, so when I got lapped the
second time, I pulled into the pits. I *really* need to figure out how to go
faster, otherwise this isn't even worth doing... :-(

Eldred
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by **mcewe** » Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:57:33

> I *really* need to figure out how to go
> faster, otherwise this isn't even worth doing... :-(

I find it's easier to find guys who are slower and invite them to the same league ;)

Art

by **Eldre** » Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:09:09

>> I *really* need to figure out how to go
>> faster, otherwise this isn't even worth doing... :-(

>I find it's easier to find guys who are slower and invite them to the same
>league ;)

>Art

Ah, *now* I see why you invited me to TPTCC-Regulars...<g>
The only people slower are those who can't even keep it on the track.

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by **Eldre** » Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:12:34

Of course, I meant the only ones slower than ME...

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by **Ruud Dingeman** » Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:15:21

>>The only people slower are those who can't even keep it on the track.
> Of course, I meant the only ones slower than ME...

Could always get back onto Vroc (and into the 65s) Eldred: in pickup
races, it's just the luck of the draw. Sometimes you find you're up
against several aliens, but other times few people will keep up with you.

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by **Larr** » Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:48:17

I have learned it is simply NOT possible to pit under green. You'll get
screwed EVERY SINGLE TIME.

-Larry

by **Larr** » Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:02:42

Right Pedal. Mash harder :)

-Larry

by **Eldre** » Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:46:46

Meet the wall...HARD.

This is one of the things that I don't get about fixed-setup races. We're all
using the same setup, but some are as much as 2-3 seconds faster. Just doesn't
make SENSE.

Eldred
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by **Neil Charlto** » Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:24:12

One thing occurs to me Eldred - maybe you're trying to jump too far at once.
If, for example, your best time at a track is 23.5, would it help if someone
sent you replay and telemetry for a 23.2 and worked with you emulating it?
If that worked, you could then repeat the process with a 23.0 and so on.

If that sounds helpful, I've got some time off coming up and I'd be happy to
work with you. About time I paid back for all the server time you've given
the community. I'm competitive in RASCAR but get my ass handed to me every
week in FFRL so I feel the pain. The most inspiring sim video I ever saw was
of Andi Wilke doing a lap of Zandvoort (I think) with the***pit view on
one side of the screen and his feet on the pedals on the other side. It
turned on a light in my head and I've been working at it (slowly) ever
since. Come to think of it, I've been using his setups too - thanks Andi if
you're out there somewhere ;)

Anyway .... let me know if you're interested - no problem if not.

Regards

by **Larr** » Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:47:01

Personally, I think it's all about corner entry and trying too hard.

Some guys have it nailed, some don't. I'm somewhere in between.

-Larry

by **Larr** » Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:48:47

I think if we could get Eldred on Teamspeak, and someone would ride in his
car with him, we could take care of this rather quickly...

It's usually that 'One Thing' that is messing you up. One of these days, I
will figure out what that 'One Thing' is in regards to Road Courses :)

-Larry

> > >Right Pedal. Mash harder :)

> > Meet the wall...HARD.

> > This is one of the things that I don't get about fixed-setup races.
We're
> all
> > using the same setup, but some are as much as 2-3 seconds faster. Just
> doesn't
> > make SENSE.

> One thing occurs to me Eldred - maybe you're trying to jump too far at
once.
> If, for example, your best time at a track is 23.5, would it help if
someone
> sent you replay and telemetry for a 23.2 and worked with you emulating it?
> If that worked, you could then repeat the process with a 23.0 and so on.

> If that sounds helpful, I've got some time off coming up and I'd be happy
to
> work with you. About time I paid back for all the server time you've given
> the community. I'm competitive in RASCAR but get my ass handed to me every
> week in FFRL so I feel the pain. The most inspiring sim video I ever saw
was
> of Andi Wilke doing a lap of Zandvoort (I think) with the***pit view on
> one side of the screen and his feet on the pedals on the other side. It
> turned on a light in my head and I've been working at it (slowly) ever
> since. Come to think of it, I've been using his setups too - thanks Andi
if
> you're out there somewhere ;)

> Anyway .... let me know if you're interested - no problem if not.

> Regards

> > Eldred
> > --
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
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> > IICC League
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> > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro
> > US East

by **David G Fishe** » Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:08:54

Based on comments in the past, I have a feeling his problems are more
related to frame rate and controller setup. Without those two optimized, he
won't see much improvement after working on technique.

--
David G Fisher

> > >Right Pedal. Mash harder :)

> > Meet the wall...HARD.

> > This is one of the things that I don't get about fixed-setup races.
We're
> all
> > using the same setup, but some are as much as 2-3 seconds faster. Just
> doesn't
> > make SENSE.

> One thing occurs to me Eldred - maybe you're trying to jump too far at
once.
> If, for example, your best time at a track is 23.5, would it help if
someone
> sent you replay and telemetry for a 23.2 and worked with you emulating it?
> If that worked, you could then repeat the process with a 23.0 and so on.

> If that sounds helpful, I've got some time off coming up and I'd be happy
to
> work with you. About time I paid back for all the server time you've given
> the community. I'm competitive in RASCAR but get my ass handed to me every
> week in FFRL so I feel the pain. The most inspiring sim video I ever saw
was
> of Andi Wilke doing a lap of Zandvoort (I think) with the***pit view on
> one side of the screen and his feet on the pedals on the other side. It
> turned on a light in my head and I've been working at it (slowly) ever
> since. Come to think of it, I've been using his setups too - thanks Andi
if
> you're out there somewhere ;)

> Anyway .... let me know if you're interested - no problem if not.

> Regards

> > Eldred
> > --
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
> > Screamers League
> > IICC League
> > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80
> > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71
> > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na
> > N2k3 rank:in progress
> > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin
> > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro
> > US East

by **bluestringe** » Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:08:41

> Personally, I think it's all about corner entry and trying too hard.

> Some guys have it nailed, some don't. I'm somewhere in between.

> -Larry

> > >Right Pedal. Mash harder :)

> > Meet the wall...HARD.

> > This is one of the things that I don't get about fixed-setup races.
We're
> all
> > using the same setup, but some are as much as 2-3 seconds faster. Just
> doesn't
> > make SENSE.

> > Eldred
> > --
> > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > Screamers League
> > IICC League
> > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80
> > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71
> > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na
> > N2k3 rank:in progress
> > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin
> > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro
> > US East

I think it's the line used and using that same line consistantly. I can run
a real good lap sometimes, but can't keep it consistant. I found that at
Chicago you could almost run flat out all the way around with new tires,
just let off for a second entering the turns to set the car, then mash it.
Of course as the tires wore, then you had to stay off the throttle longer.

James
aka..bluestringer

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