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David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 04:07:11


Alonso didn't have a problem with it. Alonso could of simply lifted for a
moment after all. :-)

David G Fisher

Nats

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by Nats » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 04:28:30

I can still remember the Grand Prix from several yeats ago there watching
Barricello trying to outbrake another at one of the chicanes. Its one of my
most endearing memories of F1. That makes it a fantastic track in my view.
Nats

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 04:31:19

Well, I didn't want to attribute it only to that red car.  I figured someone
else MUST have done it...

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by Eldre » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 04:35:31

I'm sure he wasn't happy about it at the time...

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Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 05:18:53


> >> Yeah, I didn't think that was cool, either.  Has anyone been penalized for
> >such
> >> behavior recently?

> >Alonso didn't have a problem with it. Alonso could of simply lifted for a
> >moment after all. :-)

> I'm sure he wasn't happy about it at the time...

Neither were one of his team bosses who stated as much

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Andrew MacPhers

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by Andrew MacPhers » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 05:37:00



> John "sensitive Scot" Wallace

I thought the whole point of wearing a kilt and no underwear was to
*de*sensitise you? It's the celtic equivalent of circumcision.

Andrew "only Scottish in the American sense" McP

PS Didn't realise you were still around... thought you'd grown up or
something ;-)

John Wallac

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by John Wallac » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 05:58:00

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:07:11 -0400, "David G Fisher"


>Alonso didn't have a problem with it. Alonso could of simply lifted for a
>moment after all. :-)

I think he probably did - probably filled his seat for a moment as
well.

If we follow that logic then everyone could be required by the FIA to
"just lift off for a moment" whenever Michael happens along and
wobbles his car at them. Sounds a little like what happens at the
moment.

Honestly speaking (and I fully appreciate that showing any form of
doubt in one's perceived postion is asking for a roasting here, but
indulge me, I'm a noob!) I find it quite difficult to put my finger on
what it is about the manner in which Michael does these kind of things
that I find so distasteful.

Senna did it and I had no (well, fewer) problems with it, but somehow
Michael's crossing of the line comes off like bullying, or....I don't
know. He "plays the game" superby - political comments about
Coulthard's driving when he was fighting Hakkinen etc, set up to get
the FIA watching where he wanted, but while it works well
professionally (within the sport), it comes across badly to many
viewers.

As with any sport F1 exists to entertain. People have complained about
"the show", and how little overtaking there is. Guys like Montoya,
Barrichello, DC etc supplied that in buckets last weekend. How easy
would it have been for Kimi to have moved across on Rubens at the
first overtake? He hadn't even moved once (keeping his line to the
inside of Abbey), and could have moved right and stuck Rubens on the
grass. It would be legal, if highly questionable, racing, but FAR less
entertaining to watch than the two of them fighting each other all the
way through Abbey and Bridge.

Alonso's young - he'll learn the way, IMO the only way, to fight
Michael is as Montoya does - fire with fire. Senna did it, and
Montoya's the only one since then who treats Michael in the same way
as he treats others.

Tony Rickar

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by Tony Rickar » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 06:32:49


> As with any sport F1 exists to entertain. People have complained about
> "the show", and how little overtaking there is. Guys like Montoya,
> Barrichello, DC etc supplied that in buckets last weekend. How easy
> would it have been for Kimi to have moved across on Rubens at the
> first overtake? He hadn't even moved once (keeping his line to the
> inside of Abbey), and could have moved right and stuck Rubens on the
> grass. It would be legal, if highly questionable, racing, but FAR less
> entertaining to watch than the two of them fighting each other all the
> way through Abbey and Bridge.

I thought the quality of racing was probably the best I have ever seen
throughout the entire grid for as long as I can remember.

After a low at Australia last year which made a pick up Monza GPL race look
professional, I was impressed. With the close racing the opportunity for
driver errors or over aggressive moves was very high.

Cheers
Tony

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by Haqsa » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:09:36

Not just Montoya, remember Kimi and Michael at Australia this year?  Now
there was a Kodak moment!  ;o)


John Wallac

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by John Wallac » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:02:50



That was actually a great example - I was out of my seat cheering
Kimi.

I can well imagine the howls or protest emanating from the
scarlet-clad legions, as it could be considered a bit of a severe
chop. I really think you need to considered who is being chopped
though. Kimi should never do it to DC (and vice-versa), and probably
not to many other drivers also. However if you know that driver would
do it to you then IMO it's a must to treat them the same way.

It's like rubbing a puppy's nose in it's pee - it soon learns that's
what's going to happen and will stop peeing where it shouldn't.
Schumacher is a smart guy, I'm sure he'll learn a bit quicker than a
puppy (I bet he thinks a bit differently when Montoya is around
compared to Ralf or Alonso).

Cheers,
John

Tony Rickar

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by Tony Rickar » Sun, 27 Jul 2003 02:57:48

Saw this today:

TV viewers and crowds at Silverstone circuit were shocked to witness an
act described by FIA boss Max Mosely as "utter lunacy."

The sport of Formula 1 was left in disarray after TV cameras filmed
dangerous acts of overtaking, actually on the track.
One eyewitness described the scene" It seemed as if the drivers were
fighting each other for positions on the track, the small Brazilian fella
seemed to use a combination of skill and nerve to force his way in front
of  another car, I've never seen anything like it , how someone didn't get
killed I'll never know"

Other members of the crowd recalled similar events taking place in the 80's
and before.

Bernie Ecclestone was quick to slam Octagon Motorsports and the
Silverstone circuit for allowing such a debacle. "We've tried so hard to s
tamp out this sort of thing, and worked very closely with the teams, well
Ferrari really, to ensure the race is decided in the pit lane. In the light
of
today, we may have to bring forward our proposals to introduce electric
engines and metal grooves in the track.

Unconfirmed rumours report that Sir Jackie Stewart was wrestled to the
ground by a marshall after staging a protest demanding the return of what
he referred to as "motor-racing."

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by Goy Larse » Sun, 27 Jul 2003 03:19:30


> Saw this today:

> TV viewers and crowds at Silverstone circuit were shocked to witness an
> act described by FIA boss Max Mosely as "utter lunacy."

> The sport of Formula 1 was left in disarray after TV cameras filmed
> dangerous acts of overtaking, actually on the track.
> One eyewitness described the scene" It seemed as if the drivers were
> fighting each other for positions on the track, the small Brazilian fella
> seemed to use a combination of skill and nerve to force his way in front
> of  another car, I've never seen anything like it , how someone didn't get
> killed I'll never know"

> Other members of the crowd recalled similar events taking place in the 80's
> and before.

> Bernie Ecclestone was quick to slam Octagon Motorsports and the
> Silverstone circuit for allowing such a debacle. "We've tried so hard to s
> tamp out this sort of thing, and worked very closely with the teams, well
> Ferrari really, to ensure the race is decided in the pit lane. In the light
> of
> today, we may have to bring forward our proposals to introduce electric
> engines and metal grooves in the track.

> Unconfirmed rumours report that Sir Jackie Stewart was wrestled to the
> ground by a marshall after staging a protest demanding the return of what
> he referred to as "motor-racing."

Priceless !

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Nick

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by Nick » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:41:31


penalise them.

Don't open your front door, it might be burglars.

Nick

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by Nick » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:40:40


I didn't really see anything wrong with what he did. He made one move, from
the racing line over to the right, and Alonso kept going with him instead of
switching back. No big deal. Just because it was Michael Schumacher doesn't
mean you have to make it into a controversial moment <g>

Eldre

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by Eldre » Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:00:25



>Saw this today:

>TV viewers and crowds at Silverstone circuit were shocked to witness an
>act described by FIA boss Max Mosely as "utter lunacy.

<snip>
That's a good one! :-)

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