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by **PaiK** » Wed, 09 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Hi all!

Sorry for the bad english!

After a lot of installations of CTFJ, DXTweak, ClrClbr, etc... I did it
work, I put the brake at 80, but _personally_ don't like it, after
hundreds laps in Monza I've got the feeling and with the CTFJ I should
do other hundred for get the feeling with this brake.

Now in the LWFF configuration (3.20) if the axis is separated and press
brake get acceleration and viceversa (now the Z axis is the R and
viceversa). If combined axes works fine.

Anyone has experienced this?

And the Question for Bob... How can I get back to my early situation?
I reinstalled Windows 98, DirectX 6.1, Logitech Software, run
ClrCalibr, DXTweak, but nothing.

Any sugestion?

Thanks & Regards
Javier Fernandez

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by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 09 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Hi Javier,

I experimented a lot tonight with the brake settings, and 80 didn't
satisfy me either. The brakes didn't lock up, so I wasn't sure if I
was using the brakes for 100%.
After a lot of laps I found out that -90 gave me superb results. When
braking before the Parabolica on Monza, the brakes juuust lock, I
release the brake for just a little bit, and I have the perfect
braking.
I compared my braking to some world record laps, and my braking is
even better than these record holders! Ofcourse these guys are seconds
faster through the corners and seconds faster out of the corner, I'll
just have to work on that one :)

But all in all, I allways found the braking with the LWFF a little bit
of luck. The pedal travel was way too short for perfect braking.
People with a CH pedal had a BIG advantage. AFAIK, none of the world
record laps were made using a LWFF, most were even made with a
joystick!!!

And you can return to the original settings by unloading CTFJ, then
run ClrClbr, and then is should be ok.....

But don't uninstall CTFJ, experiment with it, I'm sure you'll love it
when you suit it to your personal taste. And yes, it will take a
couple of extra laps around Monza to find your favorite setting and to
get used to the new braking, but in the end..... WOW.

Andre

>Hi all!

>Sorry for the bad english!

>After a lot of installations of CTFJ, DXTweak, ClrClbr, etc... I did it
>work, I put the brake at 80, but _personally_ don't like it, after
>hundreds laps in Monza I've got the feeling and with the CTFJ I should
>do other hundred for get the feeling with this brake.

>Now in the LWFF configuration (3.20) if the axis is separated and press
>brake get acceleration and viceversa (now the Z axis is the R and
>viceversa). If combined axes works fine.

>Anyone has experienced this?

>And the Question for Bob... How can I get back to my early situation?
>I reinstalled Windows 98, DirectX 6.1, Logitech Software, run
>ClrCalibr, DXTweak, but nothing.

>Any sugestion?

>Thanks & Regards
>Javier Fernandez

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>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

by **Bill Mas** » Wed, 09 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Andre and Javier,

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but changing the springs on the
Logitech pedals is quite painless and easy to do. I believe it was someone
over on the discussion area at www.force-1.com who came up with this idea.

Just unscrew all the screws on the bottom of the pedal base. What I did
next was to combine the existing brake and accelerator springs together
one is narrower than the other), and use the new combination as the spring
set for the accelerator. Then, I went to my local Ace hardware store, and
found a spring of the right diameter which was stiffer than that new combo,
and used that as my new brake pedal spring. Upon re-assembly, make sure the
wires at the top of the pedal unit are tucked away before screwing down the
plate.

Now, admittedly, this does not change the amount of travel, but then, that
wasn't my problem with the pedals - the springs forces were my personal
bugaboo. I find this new setup to be quite nice, for me. BTW, I always
race in my stocking/bare feet, as I feel I get much greater precision that
way

What I like about the Logitech pedals is that the pedals are pushed in a
more up-and-down motion than other pedals, which prevents the pedal base
from sliding away from you. With this type of setup, though, having a
longer throw travel would probably put an undue strain on the foot (cocking
it at an uncomfortable angle poised over the pedal).

Bottom line for me was that I don't mind the travel distance, just the
default spring forces.

Regards,

Bill

by **Marc Collin** » Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:00:00

I agree. -90 is perfect for GPL and my Saitek R4 FF.

Marc.

> Hi Javier,

> I experimented a lot tonight with the brake settings, and 80 didn't
> satisfy me either. The brakes didn't lock up, so I wasn't sure if I
> was using the brakes for 100%.
> After a lot of laps I found out that -90 gave me superb results. When
> braking before the Parabolica on Monza, the brakes juuust lock, I
> release the brake for just a little bit, and I have the perfect
> braking.
> I compared my braking to some world record laps, and my braking is
> even better than these record holders! Ofcourse these guys are seconds
> faster through the corners and seconds faster out of the corner, I'll
> just have to work on that one :)

> But all in all, I allways found the braking with the LWFF a little bit
> of luck. The pedal travel was way too short for perfect braking.
> People with a CH pedal had a BIG advantage. AFAIK, none of the world
> record laps were made using a LWFF, most were even made with a
> joystick!!!

> And you can return to the original settings by unloading CTFJ, then
> run ClrClbr, and then is should be ok.....

> But don't uninstall CTFJ, experiment with it, I'm sure you'll love it
> when you suit it to your personal taste. And yes, it will take a
> couple of extra laps around Monza to find your favorite setting and to
> get used to the new braking, but in the end..... WOW.

> Andre

> >Hi all!

> >Sorry for the bad english!

> >After a lot of installations of CTFJ, DXTweak, ClrClbr, etc... I did it
> >work, I put the brake at 80, but _personally_ don't like it, after
> >hundreds laps in Monza I've got the feeling and with the CTFJ I should
> >do other hundred for get the feeling with this brake.

> >Now in the LWFF configuration (3.20) if the axis is separated and press
> >brake get acceleration and viceversa (now the Z axis is the R and
> >viceversa). If combined axes works fine.

> >Anyone has experienced this?

> >And the Question for Bob... How can I get back to my early situation?
> >I reinstalled Windows 98, DirectX 6.1, Logitech Software, run
> >ClrCalibr, DXTweak, but nothing.

> >Any sugestion?

> >Thanks & Regards
> >Javier Fernandez

> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

by **Andre Warrin** » Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Bill, I changed the springs in the pedals the first day I had them.
An absolute must!

Andre

On Wed, 09 Jun 1999 02:03:53 GMT, "Marc Collins"

>I agree. -90 is perfect for GPL and my Saitek R4 FF.

>Marc.

>> Hi Javier,

>> I experimented a lot tonight with the brake settings, and 80 didn't
>> satisfy me either. The brakes didn't lock up, so I wasn't sure if I
>> was using the brakes for 100%.
>> After a lot of laps I found out that -90 gave me superb results. When
>> braking before the Parabolica on Monza, the brakes juuust lock, I
>> release the brake for just a little bit, and I have the perfect
>> braking.
>> I compared my braking to some world record laps, and my braking is
>> even better than these record holders! Ofcourse these guys are seconds
>> faster through the corners and seconds faster out of the corner, I'll
>> just have to work on that one :)

>> But all in all, I allways found the braking with the LWFF a little bit
>> of luck. The pedal travel was way too short for perfect braking.
>> People with a CH pedal had a BIG advantage. AFAIK, none of the world
>> record laps were made using a LWFF, most were even made with a
>> joystick!!!

>> And you can return to the original settings by unloading CTFJ, then
>> run ClrClbr, and then is should be ok.....

>> But don't uninstall CTFJ, experiment with it, I'm sure you'll love it
>> when you suit it to your personal taste. And yes, it will take a
>> couple of extra laps around Monza to find your favorite setting and to
>> get used to the new braking, but in the end..... WOW.

>> Andre

>> >Hi all!

>> >Sorry for the bad english!

>> >After a lot of installations of CTFJ, DXTweak, ClrClbr, etc... I did it
>> >work, I put the brake at 80, but _personally_ don't like it, after
>> >hundreds laps in Monza I've got the feeling and with the CTFJ I should
>> >do other hundred for get the feeling with this brake.

>> >Now in the LWFF configuration (3.20) if the axis is separated and press
>> >brake get acceleration and viceversa (now the Z axis is the R and
>> >viceversa). If combined axes works fine.

>> >Anyone has experienced this?

>> >And the Question for Bob... How can I get back to my early situation?
>> >I reinstalled Windows 98, DirectX 6.1, Logitech Software, run
>> >ClrCalibr, DXTweak, but nothing.

>> >Any sugestion?

>> >Thanks & Regards
>> >Javier Fernandez

>> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> >Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

by **Bob Chur** » Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>And the Question for Bob... How can I get back to my early situation?
>I reinstalled Windows 98, DirectX 6.1, Logitech Software, run
>ClrCalibr, DXTweak, but nothing.

Well, it's like Andre said. Leaving CTFJ unloaded and running ClrCalbr
takes CTFJ out of the picture, it doesn't change anything but the
Calibration Data can ClrCalibr deletes all of that. Are you saying the
wheel won't install at all?

- Bob

The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com

by **Andre Warrin** » Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Yesterday, after figuring out that -90 R was best for me, a did a
testdrive on Monza. 40 laps, allmost all in the 1:29-1:30's, without a
mistake.... All thanks to the new way of braking. Allmost feels like
cheating now...

Andre

>>And the Question for Bob... How can I get back to my early situation?
>>I reinstalled Windows 98, DirectX 6.1, Logitech Software, run
>>ClrCalibr, DXTweak, but nothing.

>Well, it's like Andre said. Leaving CTFJ unloaded and running ClrCalbr
>takes CTFJ out of the picture, it doesn't change anything but the
>Calibration Data can ClrCalibr deletes all of that. Are you saying the
>wheel won't install at all?

>- Bob

>The StickWorks
>http://www.stickworks.com

by **PaiK** » Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:00:00

> >And the Question for Bob... How can I get back to my early situation?
> >I reinstalled Windows 98, DirectX 6.1, Logitech Software, run
> >ClrCalibr, DXTweak, but nothing.

> Well, it's like Andre said. Leaving CTFJ unloaded and running ClrCalbr
> takes CTFJ out of the picture, it doesn't change anything but the
> Calibration Data can ClrCalibr deletes all of that. Are you saying the
> wheel won't install at all?

Install, but occurs this weird thing, interchange the R and Z axis, in
the Logitech SW when press the brake move the accelerate mark, this is
not very important, only change the axis in the games setups, but it's
a weird thing.
I'll post in www.wingmanteam.com, I'll sure that Tom 'Wingman' make me
any sugestion.

Thanks Bob

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by **PaiK** » Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Well Andre, you convinced me, I'll try again with 90.

PD. This is not considerated a cheat, ok?

Thanks

Javier Fernandez

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by **Ian Parke** » Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Hi, I use a squash ball cut in half with my MS FF wheel. The advantage I
find over a utility like CTFJ is that I can still get 100% brakes, the
squash ball starts to offer resistance at about 70% of brake movement and
gradually stiffens towards 100% where it's very hard to press.
CTFJ sets the maximum brakes at a figure you decide on in advance (say 90%)
, and you cant get any further braking pressure if it's required.

--
Ian Parker

> Shhh... don't use the "C" word : ) . Plus I don't see how it's different
than
> guys using cut up tennisballs or squashballs to cut down the pedal travel
> to the point where the brake just start to lock. This is just the
software
> version.

by **Andre Warrin** » Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Very true, but have you ever tried to put a squash ball under a
logitech pedal?

I tried everyting, I taped sponges to them, tennisballs, pieces of a
cushion, bra stuffings from my girlfriend, but it won't stay there!

Long live CTFJ!!! Now we LWFF owners have the perfect wheel and
excellent braking! :)

Andre

On Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:33:36 +0100, "Ian Parker"

>Hi, I use a squash ball cut in half with my MS FF wheel. The advantage I
>find over a utility like CTFJ is that I can still get 100% brakes, the
>squash ball starts to offer resistance at about 70% of brake movement and
>gradually stiffens towards 100% where it's very hard to press.
>CTFJ sets the maximum brakes at a figure you decide on in advance (say 90%)
>, and you cant get any further braking pressure if it's required.

by **Brad DuTempl** » Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:00:00

> Hi, I use a squash ball cut in half with my MS FF wheel. The advantage I
> find over a utility like CTFJ is that I can still get 100% brakes, the
> squash ball starts to offer resistance at about 70% of brake movement and
> gradually stiffens towards 100% where it's very hard to press.
> CTFJ sets the maximum brakes at a figure you decide on in advance (say
90%)
> , and you cant get any further braking pressure if it's required.

> --
> Ian Parker

Ian,

By adjusting the braking axis with CTFJ, we are not reducing the maximum
braking force available, only the point in the brake axis travel where
maximum braking force is applied. I would rather have maximum braking force
appllied at the end of the braking travel (or very close to it) so that I
get some definate feedback.

I've also replaced the brake spring for a heavier unit.

The combination of the heavier spring, and now (finally) being able to fine
tune all the axis makes this a much better package than I originally
purchased.

I can't wait to see what force feedback adds to Grand Prix Legends!

Brad.

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