rec.autos.simulators

How about starting with how 'legally owning' the above sims somehow justifies
downloading warez?

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Marc J. Nelson
The Sim Project - http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Extinct Track Archive - http://www.racesimcentral.net/

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d00d,
   Warez r00Lz. That's reason enough.This is America. There is no
right or wrong. The president can perjure himself. Why can't we
download warez? Remember this: You have to use the master's tools to
dismantle the masters house. Viva Revolution!!!!!

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Down with the world where the guarantee that we won't die of
starvation has been purchased with the guarantee that we will die of
boredom.  
--- The Occupation of Committee of the Autonomous and Popular Sorbonne
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And these are the kids that will take care of us when we're old....will
someone shoot me now?

First off, never talk about warez in a legitimate newsgroup, you WILL get
flamed.  There are more than enough warez newsgroups for it.  And the
president, whatever his many faults, probably can spell Dude and Rules,
without the goofy, "I am a 15 year old lamer trying to act like a hacker"
way of writing it.

Prove yourself better than Clinton, and do the right thing - get mommy to
buy your software, don't use her AOL account scouring FTP sites for Grand
Theft Auto.

Ken

Where did I say that you couldn't?  Failing spelling, you're not much better at
reading comprehension.

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Marc J. Nelson
The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com/
Extinct Track Archive - http://www.simproject.com/eta/

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The Situationist International wrote : <snip>

Hmmm...

Should take this as a serious post or a sarcastic comment ?

If serious --> goto A
If sarcastic --> goto B

A :

No.

I don't see it.

Really ? So the Internet is under U.S. Government regulations ? That's news
to me !

Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try...
-Yoda

Who cares ?

Nobody said you can't. But it's illegal. Like stealing a car. Raping a
person. Killing your wife.

Oh my... I never though those AOL-Kids could go that far..

"Viva Elvis Pressssssssley ! Viva Coca-Cooooola ! Viva Santa Banana !"  (ok
sorry just French-Canadian people will catch this, it's a cultural-thingy
;-D ).

B :
Hmm... you really need to go see a psy ;-)

- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard!
- Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
- Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)
- Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ on the NROS
- "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

Where did I say that owning the above sims justifies me downloading this
Newmann Haas game? I just wrote that as an afterthought.

On another note, people like to chide others that have done something
bad like download a warez game even though if it's just to check it out
before spending one's hard earned cash. If I had the time, the desire,
and
the opportunity to screen everything that one of these holy simmers do,
I'm
sure that I would find a few things they do that is morally or illegally
wrong.
Hmmm, maybe going 31+ MPH in a 30 MPH zone? 51+ MPH in a 50MPH zone? And
they
would probably find some excuse to justify it.

Give me a break!

Nobody

True. I only did it in case someone might be curious to hear what the
game
is like since some of these people don't know where to go or what to do
for downloading Warez games. Also, I find that most of these game
reviews are very subjective and sometimes misleading.

Well, I don't know if you're responding to the original poster or the
person
you actually replied to above, but I like to spend my cash on things
that
are worth it in my opinion.

I've bought over $5K in software and games over the last 4 years; more
than
$10K in computers and peripherals. And, I've even bought my brother and
my mom
a computer each w/ software. I even pay for my own internet account.

I've been burned a few times paying for such crappy games
and software. That's why I do what I do. If it's a quality game, then
I'll pay
for it. If not, the game is forever off my drive and never to be seen
again.
No lost revenue for the developer and my money is spent on something
better.

Let's put this thread to rest.

Nameless

    And how many tapes do all have with movies or tv shows
recorded????? Oh not the same thing you say??? BS! It is
 just as copywritten as half the ***for the PC...and yes I do
 mean crap...look at GPL....that totally sucks moose!!!!

  So unless no one here records televison progs or movies...
I'd slowly back of and disappear from this conversation...and
 anyone says they don't record movies...I'd have to say 89 %
if not more were lying.....something to think about:))

 Regards........Mr.West

Although not spelled-out, placing your "afterthought" at the end of
your post 'implied' that there was a link to the body of the thread.
You may not have intended it this way, but that's how it came out.

All I asked was where does one justify the other - No judgement was
made, nor implied.  Just so there's no further misunderstanding, I'm
responding only because the final comment in your previous post:

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EXACTLY
software companies too often produce such complete garbage..
then hype it and rip us all off

This is why you either buy ar Electronics Boutique or somewhere that takes
returns, or you resist impulse buying, let some other suckers buy it and
post the good/bad news on Usenet and make your decision then.  If you trust
all the hype and buy based on that, that's your fault, not the software
company's.

Do you get a refund at the movies if the movie is crap?  Nope, you just eat
the $5 and tell some friends the movie sucked so they don't waste their
money - same thing with software.  If we did everything like Warez, we'd
sneak into the theater, watch the movie, and if it didn't suck, supposedly
we'd go and see it again, this time paying for the ticket.

Ken

Oh yes, everyone else is a thief so it justifies your stealing.  Nope, no
MP3's here.  Just because you have a ton next to your warez doesn't mean the
rest of us do.  For TV shows and movies broadcast into my home, it is 100%
legal for me to tape them and watch them as much as I want.  I cannot make
tapes from a Top Gun DVD and sell or distribute them, but I can make 100 of
'em for my own personal use, same with CD's - I can tape 'em as much as I
want for my own personal use, but I can't sell or distribute them.

I can, strangely enough, legally make backup copies of all the software I
own.  I could burn CD copies of GPL or whatever, but I CANNOT distribute
them, for free, or for profit.  Can't use copies on different machines at
the same time.  This is where your analogy turns to complete and utter
bullshit.  Warez are copies that ARE distributed without authorization, so
they ARE ILLLEGAL.  Copyright laws allow FAIR USE, which includes making
copies of TV programs or backups of programs, but NOT WAREZ or selling
bootleg copies of Scream 2 made from hooking 2 VCR's together.

Nice and convenient to think that everyone else is stealing, so it makes it
fine and dandy for you - thing is, you made up your own little version of
the truth to justify your illegal actions.  And you generalized about
everyone else, when you don't know jack about me or the other "89%" that you
think is lying.  When you come in and say you got the program through Warez,
you admitted to stealing it, I don't have to wonder about what you may or
may not have done.

Do I really care whether you do it?  No.  That's between you and the FBI.
Just don't preach to me that it's justified, or come into a regular
newsgroup and tell me about it without expecting flames.  There are enough
alt.2600 and alt.warez groups to discuss it on aren't there?

Ken