rec.autos.simulators

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

David Powel

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:54:52

P.S i suppose my sentament against Toms comments are:

Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush (the car) to
the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But learning to use
your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,  the bit that
is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush and paints
does....

Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a guitar like
Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of music (track)
and play it like a master within minutes....

Same for everything most things in life infact, the arena isnt important but
the skills to you use there are the most important part.....

Track knowledge isnt the key to fast laps, but a maximum handle and control
over your vehicle is, as once you have handle over your car, you can quickly
find the limit of a track....where as without the best knowledge of your
car, you are playing with your own limits in driving ability rather than
physical limits of the racetrack...

David

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Uncle Feste

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Uncle Feste » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:15:23

Sorry, I'm kinda slow this time of day.  Run it by me one more time.
Just what *exactly* are your sentiments against Tom's comments?  :-))

--

Fester

A lotta people poke fun, and that's alright
But when I start pokin' back they get all uptight
You can't cap with the master, son
So sit your ass down before I blast you one
                                              -- Kid Rock

Wayne Bradle

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Wayne Bradle » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:19:03

alright alright oh great one!


> P.S i suppose my sentament against Toms comments are:

> Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush (the car)
to
> the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But learning to
use
> your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,  the bit
that
> is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush and paints
> does....

> Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a guitar like
> Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of music (track)
> and play it like a master within minutes....

> Same for everything most things in life infact, the arena isnt important
but
> the skills to you use there are the most important part.....

> Track knowledge isnt the key to fast laps, but a maximum handle and
control
> over your vehicle is, as once you have handle over your car, you can
quickly
> find the limit of a track....where as without the best knowledge of your
> car, you are playing with your own limits in driving ability rather than
> physical limits of the racetrack...

> David

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----



> > Guys.....

> > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's a "tool"
> you
> > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
backwards!

> > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite direction.
> > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's not
> > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run backwards
> (and
> > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
valuable
> > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the track
because
> > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the track in
> all
> > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards lap
times
> > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start to come
> > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for an
online
> > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > Have fun....give it a try.

> > TP

David Powel

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:38:05

I am sorry if my profoundness and profundity offends your acumens
propensity!

David


> alright alright oh great one!



> > P.S i suppose my sentament against Toms comments are:

> > Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush (the car)
> to
> > the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But learning to
> use
> > your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,  the bit
> that
> > is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush and paints
> > does....

> > Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a guitar
like
> > Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of music
(track)
> > and play it like a master within minutes....

> > Same for everything most things in life infact, the arena isnt important
> but
> > the skills to you use there are the most important part.....

> > Track knowledge isnt the key to fast laps, but a maximum handle and
> control
> > over your vehicle is, as once you have handle over your car, you can
> quickly
> > find the limit of a track....where as without the best knowledge of your
> > car, you are playing with your own limits in driving ability rather than
> > physical limits of the racetrack...

> > David

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----



> > > Guys.....

> > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's a
"tool"
> > you
> > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
> backwards!

> > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
direction.
> > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's not
> > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run backwards
> > (and
> > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
> valuable
> > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the track
> because
> > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the track
in
> > all
> > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards lap
> times
> > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start to
come
> > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for an
> online
> > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > TP

Wayne Bradle

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Wayne Bradle » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:44:28

AssSphincterSayWhat?


> I am sorry if my profoundness and profundity offends your acumens
> propensity!

> David



> > alright alright oh great one!



> > > P.S i suppose my sentament against Toms comments are:

> > > Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush (the
car)
> > to
> > > the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But learning
to
> > use
> > > your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,  the bit
> > that
> > > is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush and
paints
> > > does....

> > > Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a guitar
> like
> > > Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of music
> (track)
> > > and play it like a master within minutes....

> > > Same for everything most things in life infact, the arena isnt
important
> > but
> > > the skills to you use there are the most important part.....

> > > Track knowledge isnt the key to fast laps, but a maximum handle and
> > control
> > > over your vehicle is, as once you have handle over your car, you can
> > quickly
> > > find the limit of a track....where as without the best knowledge of
your
> > > car, you are playing with your own limits in driving ability rather
than
> > > physical limits of the racetrack...

> > > David

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > ----



> > > > Guys.....

> > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's a
> "tool"
> > > you
> > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
> > backwards!

> > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> direction.
> > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's not
> > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
backwards
> > > (and
> > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
> > valuable
> > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the track
> > because
> > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the track
> in
> > > all
> > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards lap
> > times
> > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start to
> come
> > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for an
> > online
> > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > TP

Alan Bernard

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Alan Bernard » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:01:57

It might-- but your dire need to learn the possessive is making you look
like something you're not.  In fact, simplicity is the best.  It is only
those struggling with the language, those who find the need to use big words
when a simpler one is better (adding to the tempo)-- those are the people
who are most in need.

Tone down on your language and aim for simplicity and then maybe we'll all
understand what the hell you're talking about.  After all, we're talking
about communicating ideas here: this is not a forum to see how well you can
butcher words.

Alanb


> I am sorry if my profoundness and profundity offends your acumens
> propensity!

> David



> > alright alright oh great one!



> > > P.S i suppose my sentament against Toms comments are:

> > > Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush (the
car)
> > to
> > > the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But learning
to
> > use
> > > your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,  the bit
> > that
> > > is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush and
paints
> > > does....

> > > Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a guitar
> like
> > > Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of music
> (track)
> > > and play it like a master within minutes....

> > > Same for everything most things in life infact, the arena isnt
important
> > but
> > > the skills to you use there are the most important part.....

> > > Track knowledge isnt the key to fast laps, but a maximum handle and
> > control
> > > over your vehicle is, as once you have handle over your car, you can
> > quickly
> > > find the limit of a track....where as without the best knowledge of
your
> > > car, you are playing with your own limits in driving ability rather
than
> > > physical limits of the racetrack...

> > > David

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > ----



> > > > Guys.....

> > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's a
> "tool"
> > > you
> > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
> > backwards!

> > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> direction.
> > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's not
> > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
backwards
> > > (and
> > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
> > valuable
> > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the track
> > because
> > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the track
> in
> > > all
> > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards lap
> > times
> > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start to
> come
> > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for an
> > online
> > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > TP

David Powel

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:35:39

Surely one would should assimilate such a gibe should be taken with a
suggestion of various mineral chlorides

David


> It might-- but your dire need to learn the possessive is making you look
> like something you're not.  In fact, simplicity is the best.  It is only
> those struggling with the language, those who find the need to use big
words
> when a simpler one is better (adding to the tempo)-- those are the people
> who are most in need.

> Tone down on your language and aim for simplicity and then maybe we'll all
> understand what the hell you're talking about.  After all, we're talking
> about communicating ideas here: this is not a forum to see how well you
can
> butcher words.

> Alanb



> > I am sorry if my profoundness and profundity offends your acumens
> > propensity!

> > David



> > > alright alright oh great one!



> > > > P.S i suppose my sentament against Toms comments are:

> > > > Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush (the
> car)
> > > to
> > > > the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But learning
> to
> > > use
> > > > your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,  the
bit
> > > that
> > > > is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush and
> paints
> > > > does....

> > > > Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a guitar
> > like
> > > > Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of music
> > (track)
> > > > and play it like a master within minutes....

> > > > Same for everything most things in life infact, the arena isnt
> important
> > > but
> > > > the skills to you use there are the most important part.....

> > > > Track knowledge isnt the key to fast laps, but a maximum handle and
> > > control
> > > > over your vehicle is, as once you have handle over your car, you can
> > > quickly
> > > > find the limit of a track....where as without the best knowledge of
> your
> > > > car, you are playing with your own limits in driving ability rather
> than
> > > > physical limits of the racetrack...

> > > > David

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --
> > > > ----



> > > > > Guys.....

> > > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's a
> > "tool"
> > > > you
> > > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
> > > backwards!

> > > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> > direction.
> > > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's
not
> > > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
> backwards
> > > > (and
> > > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
> > > valuable
> > > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the track
> > > because
> > > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the
track
> > in
> > > > all
> > > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards
lap
> > > times
> > > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start to
> > come
> > > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for an
> > > online
> > > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > > TP

Ian

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Ian » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:02:47

Or in laymans terms, "taken with a pinch of salt".
Even though the sentence itself doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

--

Ian P
<email invalid due to spam>


> Surely one would should assimilate such a gibe should be taken with a
> suggestion of various mineral chlorides

> David



> > It might-- but your dire need to learn the possessive is making you look
> > like something you're not.  In fact, simplicity is the best.  It is only
> > those struggling with the language, those who find the need to use big
> words
> > when a simpler one is better (adding to the tempo)-- those are the
people
> > who are most in need.

> > Tone down on your language and aim for simplicity and then maybe we'll
all
> > understand what the hell you're talking about.  After all, we're talking
> > about communicating ideas here: this is not a forum to see how well you
> can
> > butcher words.

> > Alanb



> > > I am sorry if my profoundness and profundity offends your acumens
> > > propensity!

> > > David



> > > > alright alright oh great one!



> > > > > P.S i suppose my sentament against Toms comments are:

> > > > > Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush
(the
> > car)
> > > > to
> > > > > the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But
learning
> > to
> > > > use
> > > > > your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,  the
> bit
> > > > that
> > > > > is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush and
> > paints
> > > > > does....

> > > > > Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a
guitar
> > > like
> > > > > Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of music
> > > (track)
> > > > > and play it like a master within minutes....

> > > > > Same for everything most things in life infact, the arena isnt
> > important
> > > > but
> > > > > the skills to you use there are the most important part.....

> > > > > Track knowledge isnt the key to fast laps, but a maximum handle
and
> > > > control
> > > > > over your vehicle is, as once you have handle over your car, you
can
> > > > quickly
> > > > > find the limit of a track....where as without the best knowledge
of
> > your
> > > > > car, you are playing with your own limits in driving ability
rather
> > than
> > > > > physical limits of the racetrack...

> > > > > David

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > --
> > > > > ----



> > > > > > Guys.....

> > > > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's
a
> > > "tool"
> > > > > you
> > > > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
> > > > backwards!

> > > > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> > > direction.
> > > > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's
> not
> > > > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
> > backwards
> > > > > (and
> > > > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
> > > > valuable
> > > > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the
track
> > > > because
> > > > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the
> track
> > > in
> > > > > all
> > > > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards
> lap
> > > > times
> > > > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start
to
> > > come
> > > > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for
an
> > > > online
> > > > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > > > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > > > TP

Alan Bernard

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Alan Bernard » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:02:06

Dude, quit talking nonsense and contribute to whatever discussion you wish.
Otherwise, you're wasting bandwidth.  My guess is that you are just out of
high school, nearing 20.  There's no other explanation.

We speak of *** ideas and concepts here and not gibberish.  Take a few
classes of Freshman English in college, learn how to convey ideas simply and
expressively, and then we'll give you another interview.

Alanb


> Surely one would should assimilate such a gibe should be taken with a
> suggestion of various mineral chlorides

> David



> > It might-- but your dire need to learn the possessive is making you look
> > like something you're not.  In fact, simplicity is the best.  It is only
> > those struggling with the language, those who find the need to use big
> words
> > when a simpler one is better (adding to the tempo)-- those are the
people
> > who are most in need.

> > Tone down on your language and aim for simplicity and then maybe we'll
all
> > understand what the hell you're talking about.  After all, we're talking
> > about communicating ideas here: this is not a forum to see how well you
> can
> > butcher words.

> > Alanb



> > > I am sorry if my profoundness and profundity offends your acumens
> > > propensity!

> > > David



> > > > alright alright oh great one!



> > > > > P.S i suppose my sentament against Toms comments are:

> > > > > Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush
(the
> > car)
> > > > to
> > > > > the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But
learning
> > to
> > > > use
> > > > > your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,  the
> bit
> > > > that
> > > > > is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush and
> > paints
> > > > > does....

> > > > > Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a
guitar
> > > like
> > > > > Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of music
> > > (track)
> > > > > and play it like a master within minutes....

> > > > > Same for everything most things in life infact, the arena isnt
> > important
> > > > but
> > > > > the skills to you use there are the most important part.....

> > > > > Track knowledge isnt the key to fast laps, but a maximum handle
and
> > > > control
> > > > > over your vehicle is, as once you have handle over your car, you
can
> > > > quickly
> > > > > find the limit of a track....where as without the best knowledge
of
> > your
> > > > > car, you are playing with your own limits in driving ability
rather
> > than
> > > > > physical limits of the racetrack...

> > > > > David

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > --
> > > > > ----



> > > > > > Guys.....

> > > > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's
a
> > > "tool"
> > > > > you
> > > > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
> > > > backwards!

> > > > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> > > direction.
> > > > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's
> not
> > > > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
> > backwards
> > > > > (and
> > > > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
> > > > valuable
> > > > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the
track
> > > > because
> > > > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the
> track
> > > in
> > > > > all
> > > > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards
> lap
> > > > times
> > > > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start
to
> > > come
> > > > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for
an
> > > > online
> > > > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > > > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > > > TP

David Powel

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:30:57

Can one not asseverate oneself here without such scornful quarantine towards
ones delivery, was there no indebtedness towards the fine and linguistically
convoluted ways of pomposity offered by Anglo Saxon prose at ones locale of
indoctrination?

David


> Dude, quit talking nonsense and contribute to whatever discussion you
wish.
> Otherwise, you're wasting bandwidth.  My guess is that you are just out of
> high school, nearing 20.  There's no other explanation.

> We speak of *** ideas and concepts here and not gibberish.  Take a few
> classes of Freshman English in college, learn how to convey ideas simply
and
> expressively, and then we'll give you another interview.

> Alanb



> > Surely one would should assimilate such a gibe should be taken with a
> > suggestion of various mineral chlorides

> > David



> > > It might-- but your dire need to learn the possessive is making you
look
> > > like something you're not.  In fact, simplicity is the best.  It is
only
> > > those struggling with the language, those who find the need to use big
> > words
> > > when a simpler one is better (adding to the tempo)-- those are the
> people
> > > who are most in need.

> > > Tone down on your language and aim for simplicity and then maybe we'll
> all
> > > understand what the hell you're talking about.  After all, we're
talking
> > > about communicating ideas here: this is not a forum to see how well
you
> > can
> > > butcher words.

> > > Alanb



> > > > I am sorry if my profoundness and profundity offends your acumens
> > > > propensity!

> > > > David



> > > > > alright alright oh great one!



> > > > > > P.S i suppose my sentament against Toms comments are:

> > > > > > Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush
> (the
> > > car)
> > > > > to
> > > > > > the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But
> learning
> > > to
> > > > > use
> > > > > > your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,
the
> > bit
> > > > > that
> > > > > > is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush
and
> > > paints
> > > > > > does....

> > > > > > Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a
> guitar
> > > > like
> > > > > > Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of
music
> > > > (track)
> > > > > > and play it like a master within minutes....

> > > > > > Same for everything most things in life infact, the arena isnt
> > > important
> > > > > but
> > > > > > the skills to you use there are the most important part.....

> > > > > > Track knowledge isnt the key to fast laps, but a maximum handle
> and
> > > > > control
> > > > > > over your vehicle is, as once you have handle over your car, you
> can
> > > > > quickly
> > > > > > find the limit of a track....where as without the best knowledge
> of
> > > your
> > > > > > car, you are playing with your own limits in driving ability
> rather
> > > than
> > > > > > physical limits of the racetrack...

> > > > > > David

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > --
> > > > > > ----



> > > > > > > Guys.....

> > > > > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears
Point....here's
> a
> > > > "tool"
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run
it
> > > > > backwards!

> > > > > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> > > > direction.
> > > > > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but
that's
> > not
> > > > > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
> > > backwards
> > > > > > (and
> > > > > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll
gain
> > > > > valuable
> > > > > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the
> track
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the
> > track
> > > > in
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your
backwards
> > lap
> > > > > times
> > > > > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later
start
> to
> > > > come
> > > > > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared
for
> an
> > > > > online
> > > > > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or
so
> > > > > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > > > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > > > > TP

Tom Pabs

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Tom Pabs » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:34:37

Or spell?

TP


> It might-- but your dire need to learn the possessive is making you look
> like something you're not.  In fact, simplicity is the best.  It is only
> those struggling with the language, those who find the need to use big
words
> when a simpler one is better (adding to the tempo)-- those are the people
> who are most in need.

> Tone down on your language and aim for simplicity and then maybe we'll all
> understand what the hell you're talking about.  After all, we're talking
> about communicating ideas here: this is not a forum to see how well you
can
> butcher words.

> Alanb



> > I am sorry if my profoundness and profundity offends your acumens
> > propensity!

> > David



> > > alright alright oh great one!



> > > > P.S i suppose my sentament against Toms comments are:

> > > > Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush (the
> car)
> > > to
> > > > the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But learning
> to
> > > use
> > > > your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,  the
bit
> > > that
> > > > is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush and
> paints
> > > > does....

> > > > Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a guitar
> > like
> > > > Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of music
> > (track)
> > > > and play it like a master within minutes....

> > > > Same for everything most things in life infact, the arena isnt
> important
> > > but
> > > > the skills to you use there are the most important part.....

> > > > Track knowledge isnt the key to fast laps, but a maximum handle and
> > > control
> > > > over your vehicle is, as once you have handle over your car, you can
> > > quickly
> > > > find the limit of a track....where as without the best knowledge of
> your
> > > > car, you are playing with your own limits in driving ability rather
> than
> > > > physical limits of the racetrack...

> > > > David

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --
> > > > ----



> > > > > Guys.....

> > > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's a
> > "tool"
> > > > you
> > > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
> > > backwards!

> > > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> > direction.
> > > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's
not
> > > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
> backwards
> > > > (and
> > > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
> > > valuable
> > > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the track
> > > because
> > > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the
track
> > in
> > > > all
> > > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards
lap
> > > times
> > > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start to
> > come
> > > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for an
> > > online
> > > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > > TP

Wayne Bradle

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Wayne Bradle » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:32:20

Now clean that stuff off the floor when you've finished.


> Can one not asseverate oneself here without such scornful quarantine
towards
> ones delivery, was there no indebtedness towards the fine and
linguistically
> convoluted ways of pomposity offered by Anglo Saxon prose at ones locale
of
> indoctrination?

> David



> > Dude, quit talking nonsense and contribute to whatever discussion you
> wish.
> > Otherwise, you're wasting bandwidth.  My guess is that you are just out
of
> > high school, nearing 20.  There's no other explanation.

> > We speak of *** ideas and concepts here and not gibberish.  Take a
few
> > classes of Freshman English in college, learn how to convey ideas simply
> and
> > expressively, and then we'll give you another interview.

> > Alanb



> > > Surely one would should assimilate such a gibe should be taken with a
> > > suggestion of various mineral chlorides

> > > David



> > > > It might-- but your dire need to learn the possessive is making you
> look
> > > > like something you're not.  In fact, simplicity is the best.  It is
> only
> > > > those struggling with the language, those who find the need to use
big
> > > words
> > > > when a simpler one is better (adding to the tempo)-- those are the
> > people
> > > > who are most in need.

> > > > Tone down on your language and aim for simplicity and then maybe
we'll
> > all
> > > > understand what the hell you're talking about.  After all, we're
> talking
> > > > about communicating ideas here: this is not a forum to see how well
> you
> > > can
> > > > butcher words.

> > > > Alanb



> > > > > I am sorry if my profoundness and profundity offends your acumens
> > > > > propensity!

> > > > > David



> > > > > > alright alright oh great one!



> > > > > > > P.S i suppose my sentament against Toms comments are:

> > > > > > > Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush
> > (the
> > > > car)
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But
> > learning
> > > > to
> > > > > > use
> > > > > > > your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,
> the
> > > bit
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush
> and
> > > > paints
> > > > > > > does....

> > > > > > > Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a
> > guitar
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of
> music
> > > > > (track)
> > > > > > > and play it like a master within minutes....

> > > > > > > Same for everything most things in life infact, the arena isnt
> > > > important
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > the skills to you use there are the most important part.....

> > > > > > > Track knowledge isnt the key to fast laps, but a maximum
handle
> > and
> > > > > > control
> > > > > > > over your vehicle is, as once you have handle over your car,
you
> > can
> > > > > > quickly
> > > > > > > find the limit of a track....where as without the best
knowledge
> > of
> > > > your
> > > > > > > car, you are playing with your own limits in driving ability
> > rather
> > > > than
> > > > > > > physical limits of the racetrack...

> > > > > > > David

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > > ----



> > > > > > > > Guys.....

> > > > > > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears
> Point....here's
> > a
> > > > > "tool"
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run
> it
> > > > > > backwards!

> > > > > > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> > > > > direction.
> > > > > > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but
> that's
> > > not
> > > > > > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
> > > > backwards
> > > > > > > (and
> > > > > > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll
> gain
> > > > > > valuable
> > > > > > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the
> > track
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for
the
> > > track
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your
> backwards
> > > lap
> > > > > > times
> > > > > > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later
> start
> > to
> > > > > come
> > > > > > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared
> for
> > an
> > > > > > online
> > > > > > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or
> so
> > > > > > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the
track.

> > > > > > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > > > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > > > > > TP

Tom Pabs

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Tom Pabs » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 07:00:02

David....

You should not come home from work and "drink n' post".......its just as bad
as drinking and dialing, I think.

But, since you have......let me counter your points:

1.  In the real world of racing...at the highest levels, pretty much every
driver is fast, has excellent car control and relatively equal knowledge of
racecraft.  If not totally equal, its close enough.  Setting aside
in-equality of equipment or the preparation thereof, the driver who wins is
the one who "best knows the canvas."  That would be, in your
analogy......the race track.  If the skills are relatively equal, then its
the application thereof, that sets apart the winners and the losers......at
least that's how it works on any given Sunday on this country's race tracks.

2.  In any discipline (music, sport, theater, dance) at the highest
levels.....the true standouts are those that find unique ways to apply their
tools.....to the medium.  All have basic skills at equal levels....when you
are among the best of the best.  Even Eric Clapton (strange you would choose
an English guitarist...but that's another point) could not pick up a strange
piece of music.....and "play it like a master" within minutes.  To your ears
perhaps?  But, not to the ears of the other masters!  And, my
friend.....that is who Eric would be playing for.

You see David.....I think you have it just ass backwards.  The "arena"....or
the skillful understanding and use of it......is what sets the masters apart
from each other.  Not their skill levels...which are equal....and equally
high....for the most part.  Among the best drivers of the world.....it is
"track knowledge" (on any given day) that separates the winners from the
losers.

I can guarantee you Jimmy Clark was not "just a skillful race car driver."
His peers were just as skillful, IMHO.  What Jimmy did was work hard at
learning his canvas.....the tracks he raced on.  He knew them in every
infinite detail.  And, "yes," David.....Jimmy Clark was known for walking
tracks backwards....in order to study their subtle nuances.  I really hope
you will dispute me on this fact!

Have a good evening, David.  Hope you don't have a hangover
tomorrow.............

Cheeri'o Old Chap......

Tom


> P.S i suppose my sentament against Toms comments are:

> Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush (the car)
to
> the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But learning to
use
> your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,  the bit
that
> is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush and paints
> does....

> Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a guitar like
> Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of music (track)
> and play it like a master within minutes....

> Same for everything most things in life infact, the arena isnt important
but
> the skills to you use there are the most important part.....

> Track knowledge isnt the key to fast laps, but a maximum handle and
control
> over your vehicle is, as once you have handle over your car, you can
quickly
> find the limit of a track....where as without the best knowledge of your
> car, you are playing with your own limits in driving ability rather than
> physical limits of the racetrack...

> David

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----



> > Guys.....

> > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's a "tool"
> you
> > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
backwards!

> > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite direction.
> > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's not
> > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run backwards
> (and
> > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
valuable
> > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the track
because
> > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the track in
> all
> > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards lap
times
> > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start to come
> > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for an
online
> > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > Have fun....give it a try.

> > TP

David Powel

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 07:08:58

<G>


> David....

> You should not come home from work and "drink n' post".......its just as
bad
> as drinking and dialing, I think.

> But, since you have......let me counter your points:

> 1.  In the real world of racing...at the highest levels, pretty much every
> driver is fast, has excellent car control and relatively equal knowledge
of
> racecraft.  If not totally equal, its close enough.  Setting aside
> in-equality of equipment or the preparation thereof, the driver who wins
is
> the one who "best knows the canvas."  That would be, in your
> analogy......the race track.  If the skills are relatively equal, then its
> the application thereof, that sets apart the winners and the
losers......at
> least that's how it works on any given Sunday on this country's race
tracks.

> 2.  In any discipline (music, sport, theater, dance) at the highest
> levels.....the true standouts are those that find unique ways to apply
their
> tools.....to the medium.  All have basic skills at equal levels....when
you
> are among the best of the best.  Even Eric Clapton (strange you would
choose
> an English guitarist...but that's another point) could not pick up a
strange
> piece of music.....and "play it like a master" within minutes.  To your
ears
> perhaps?  But, not to the ears of the other masters!  And, my
> friend.....that is who Eric would be playing for.

> You see David.....I think you have it just ass backwards.  The
"arena"....or
> the skillful understanding and use of it......is what sets the masters
apart
> from each other.  Not their skill levels...which are equal....and equally
> high....for the most part.  Among the best drivers of the world.....it is
> "track knowledge" (on any given day) that separates the winners from the
> losers.

> I can guarantee you Jimmy Clark was not "just a skillful race car driver."
> His peers were just as skillful, IMHO.  What Jimmy did was work hard at
> learning his canvas.....the tracks he raced on.  He knew them in every
> infinite detail.  And, "yes," David.....Jimmy Clark was known for walking
> tracks backwards....in order to study their subtle nuances.  I really hope
> you will dispute me on this fact!

> Have a good evening, David.  Hope you don't have a hangover
> tomorrow.............

> Cheeri'o Old Chap......

> Tom



> > P.S i suppose my sentament against Toms comments are:

> > Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush (the car)
> to
> > the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But learning to
> use
> > your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,  the bit
> that
> > is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush and paints
> > does....

> > Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a guitar
like
> > Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of music
(track)
> > and play it like a master within minutes....

> > Same for everything most things in life infact, the arena isnt important
> but
> > the skills to you use there are the most important part.....

> > Track knowledge isnt the key to fast laps, but a maximum handle and
> control
> > over your vehicle is, as once you have handle over your car, you can
> quickly
> > find the limit of a track....where as without the best knowledge of your
> > car, you are playing with your own limits in driving ability rather than
> > physical limits of the racetrack...

> > David

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----



> > > Guys.....

> > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's a
"tool"
> > you
> > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
> backwards!

> > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
direction.
> > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's not
> > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run backwards
> > (and
> > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
> valuable
> > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the track
> because
> > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the track
in
> > all
> > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards lap
> times
> > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start to
come
> > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for an
> online
> > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > TP

Tom Pabs

earning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Tom Pabs » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 07:13:27

David...

I wonder if you could apply some of that "profundity" of yours to the post
made by Mr. George Sandman, in the first "string" below regarding this topic
(see: "George Sandman" under "Learning Sears Point for N2K2 - A Trick"
posted on 7/15/02 at 7:14 pm)....instead of attacking George's driving
acumen.....could you respond to the fact that he said something about how
slow you were/are?  That would be great....thanks.

Tom


> I am sorry if my profoundness and profundity offends your acumens
> propensity!

> David



> > alright alright oh great one!



> > > P.S i suppose my sentament against Toms comments are:

> > > Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush (the
car)
> > to
> > > the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But learning
to
> > use
> > > your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,  the bit
> > that
> > > is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush and
paints
> > > does....

> > > Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a guitar
> like
> > > Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of music
> (track)
> > > and play it like a master within minutes....

> > > Same for everything most things in life infact, the arena isnt
important
> > but
> > > the skills to you use there are the most important part.....

> > > Track knowledge isnt the key to fast laps, but a maximum handle and
> > control
> > > over your vehicle is, as once you have handle over your car, you can
> > quickly
> > > find the limit of a track....where as without the best knowledge of
your
> > > car, you are playing with your own limits in driving ability rather
than
> > > physical limits of the racetrack...

> > > David

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > ----



> > > > Guys.....

> > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's a
> "tool"
> > > you
> > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
> > backwards!

> > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> direction.
> > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's not
> > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
backwards
> > > (and
> > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
> > valuable
> > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the track
> > because
> > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the track
> in
> > > all
> > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards lap
> > times
> > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start to
> come
> > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for an
> > online
> > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > TP


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