They finally received some stocks in Canada. At least it was cheap: 239$ CAN
which amounts to about 210$ US. Now the biggest problem is that i have to
modify my setup to install the shifter.
I had a Driving Force Pro and i'm a little disappointed in the G25. Compared
to the DFP, the pedals are considerably better. The force feedback on the
wheel also feels better and its sturdiness is just impressive. The paddles
are also a lot better than on the DFP.
The H shifter is noisy and doesn't feel as sturdy as the rest of the unit.
The biggest problem i have with the G25 is actually sofware related. I tried
it with rFactor and GTR2 and realised that the clutch was unnecessary to
shift. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a clutch pedal.
>>Where did you purchase this?
>>>They finally received some stocks in Canada. At least it was cheap: 239$
>>>CAN which amounts to about 210$ US. Now the biggest problem is that i
>>>have to modify my setup to install the shifter.
> The prices are starting to go up:
> http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12660AC1697
> I had a Driving Force Pro and i'm a little disappointed in the G25. Compared
> to the DFP, the pedals are considerably better. The force feedback on the
> wheel also feels better and its sturdiness is just impressive. The paddles
> are also a lot better than on the DFP.
> The H shifter is noisy and doesn't feel as sturdy as the rest of the unit.
> The biggest problem i have with the G25 is actually sofware related. I tried
> it with rFactor and GTR2 and realised that the clutch was unnecessary to
> shift. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a clutch pedal.
I hear you with the stick, but you get used to it.
Also give GTL a crack, downchanging mid corner is even worse
without the clutch if you don't blip.
Cheers,
Rod.
>>The H shifter is noisy and doesn't feel as sturdy as the rest of the unit.
>>The biggest problem i have with the G25 is actually sofware related. I
>>tried
>>it with rFactor and GTR2 and realised that the clutch was unnecessary to
>>shift. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a clutch pedal.
> Blame rFactor or GTR2 for that. However, if you can change down
> mid corner in GTR2 under brakes and down change without blipping
> the throttle while using the clutch and without unsettling
> the car then you're doing something I can't. The back-end wants
> to swap ends with the front when I try it. If you can, then I
> suspect you've got auto clutch still enabled.
> I hear you with the stick, but you get used to it.
> Also give GTL a crack, downchanging mid corner is even worse
> without the clutch if you don't blip.
> Cheers,
> Rod.
I have LFS S1, GTL, rFactor and GTR 2. The problem is that i have too much
choice and have to commit to one game. I loved GTL but unfortunately
Starforce screws up my DVD burner. Which is frustrating because i use it to
make backups of the pictures i take with my 8MP Canon 20D. I usually fill up
the 2 Gig memory card and i need the room on my hard drive. Blank DVDs are
very affordable but when i run GTL, i can only produce coasters.
I had to modify my frame to include the shifter unit. I'll probably enjoy it
more now that it is installed properly.
Also accelerating while turning and shifting up will also unsettle
the car in GTR2, causing the back end to get loose. While I might
not engage the clutch in such circumstances, I will lift.
I've been caught out a few times shifting down and not matching
the revs and shifting just a touch too early and spun. Like
I suggested, if this hasn't happened to you yet then you've either
got auto clutch enabled or you're *extremely* careful when you
brake.
Cheers,
Rod.
The auto clutch was still enabled. Thanks for pointing that out. That
resolves my only criticism with the pedals.
> > Cheers,
> > Rod.
> The auto clutch was still enabled. Thanks for pointing that out. That
> resolves my only criticism with the pedals.
We would have been better off with a Momo sequential type built into the
wheel, and the normal number of buttons on the wheel itself.
The centering of the shifter in sequential mode is a big problem. The throw
to engage is like 3/4" forward, 1/4" backward.
My first one was a full inch forward, and about 1/64" backward. It was so
bad, it didn't release the rearward selection half the time when returning
to center, causing me to miss many a downshift and end up in the kitty
litter.
The replacement is useable, but still not centered.
In case you don't know, the shifter does not use switches. It uses pots.
The only reason I don't leave the shifter in the closet is because of the
buttons. Once I figure out a way around that, I will.
I have one other minor gripe. Whoever designed the cable connection scheme
must handle snakes for a living. Only that profession could have prepared
an engineer to create such a stupid design. I have fears the cables aren't
going to last long.
And, as is typical for Logitech, the pedal cable is too short.
-Larry
>> Where did you purchase this?
>>> They finally received some stocks in Canada. At least it was cheap: 239$
>>> CAN which amounts to about 210$ US. Now the biggest problem is that i
>>> have to modify my setup to install the shifter.
> The prices are starting to go up:
> http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12660AC1697
> I had a Driving Force Pro and i'm a little disappointed in the G25.
> Compared to the DFP, the pedals are considerably better. The force
> feedback on the wheel also feels better and its sturdiness is just
> impressive. The paddles are also a lot better than on the DFP.
> The H shifter is noisy and doesn't feel as sturdy as the rest of the unit.
> The biggest problem i have with the G25 is actually sofware related. I
> tried it with rFactor and GTR2 and realised that the clutch was
> unnecessary to shift. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a clutch
> pedal.
The only possible change I can see would be making the pedals the
"base" and putting the wheel and shifter in series from there. The
power and USB connections would connect to the pedals. Would that
really be an improvement?
Pat Dotson
I have/had one of the old Red Logitech FF wheels (not Momo - before
that) and the pedals were the 'base' of operations for the assorted
cables. Only one cable ran up from the pedals to the wheel.
It was a very nice configuration to deal with.
I have had an Act-Labs and a Logitech 'black' FF wheel (both with Act-
Labs USB shifter) since then, and they have had multiple cables going up
to the wheel.
PITA, in my opinion.
MRSisson
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> You can lower the strenght of the force feedback in the game menus. At 10%
> it shouldn't give you any problems.
Create a port replicator. Think Laptop...
One end, which would be about a foot long, would connect to all the
connectors under the wheel and would result in one large connector on the
other end.
The other end would connect to all the individual cables, and have a
matching single-connector.
You install the first half on the wheel and leave it in place. it could
even have a base moulded to match the wheel housing, and attach with 3M tape
or something.
Then you just put up the wheel, shifter and connect the one single
connecter.
Done.
IMHO, Logitech should not have put the connectors under the wheel. they
should have all been on the outside, on one side of the housing, for easy
access. As it is now, you have to manipulate the wheel and attach it AFTER
you've made all the connections. This just can't be any good for the
wiring.
And of course it's worse for anyone using a bolt-down setup.
-Larry
> Short of going to a wireless system how could the cabling be improved?
> There are five separate pieces that need to be connected - wheel,
> shifter, pedals, power supply, and the computer That requires a
> minimum of 4 cables.
> The only possible change I can see would be making the pedals the
> "base" and putting the wheel and shifter in series from there. The
> power and USB connections would connect to the pedals. Would that
> really be an improvement?
> Pat Dotson