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--Tel

yeah compared to the "other" sims who can't even model CAMBER for God's
sake.

Papyrus is near starting to model high-frequency track imperfections and you
people whine when all the other game engine can't even model simple bumps
and track camber correctly.

<geeze how pathetic>

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Oh I knew this would cause a major riot amongst the Papyrus groupies
here... lol.
However for me the appearance of the track surface and correct
modeling of damper/spring work as well as varying tyre grip is much
more important than an incorrect track layout here and there simply
because it has a huge impact on the car behaviour, affects setup model
and thus my driving & strategy etc... well, that's just me, feel free
to call that pathetic or whatever you wish...

btw this goes to Greg, I forgot one thing in my previous post... the
damage model when set to *realistic* provides a few good laughs too.
Don't take it too serious if you end up with everything intact after
5 meters airborn stunt with a double salto...or if you're touching
those hedges and hayballs at 200+ kph don't worry, worst thing that
could happen will be a not properly work wheel here and there
(although I still have to find out whether it's suspension or just the
tyre that gave up the ghost).
Of course it's a bit different with a frontal impact on a wall... you
can actually loose a wheel or two here! ;>

--Tel

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Really.

This is encouraging. I thought it had 3dfx Glide support? F1RS does
weather effects using Glide. Maybe this is why Sierra is taking the
big ***:-)

No I won't. Any anyone who reads this NG semi regularly will know that
I have been interested in racing sims from the groups inception.

Yep. Like apparently weather effects and a coherent damage model.
Cool.

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Huh.

Huh. Surprisingly I never got that sense from reading all of the
glorious reviews and other postings. Thanks.

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Huh. I have had all sorts of things broken and ripped away from
my car in F1RS. I actually cannot believe that F1RS would model
damage better than GPL, but apparently from what you describe,
it does. Quite surprising.

I think I'll stick to that game and be glad I really don't like old
era F1 racing. Believe it or not, I am looking for more than a
driving model. Like an experience or something. If there is a GP3
and it doesn't at least have what F1RS has as a starting point
(weather, FF, kick ass 3D graphics, 3D sound and digital voice
comms for starters) then forget it. It will be right there with Johnny
Herbert Racing as far as I am concerned :-)

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I actually love watching racing in the rain, as it's a great equaliser
of car performance and multiplier of driver ability. It's funny how
the same names tend to be at the front in the rain, even people like
Barrichello who you never normally see there.

Cheers!
John

I don't know exactly what he is talking about
either.  Maybe that if you go off the road,
traction isn't temporarily reduced when you
get back on the pavement?

Probably because even with the omission of
weather, high frequency bumps, and FF, most
people still regard GPL as far more "complete",
in terms of requirements on the driver, than
any other sim.

It's going to be a while before any PC
racing simulation will be considered complete.

I'm not a fan of any particular type of racing,
I just want as realistic an experience as
possible.  IMO, GPL gives far more of a
"driving experience" than anything else!

If you haven't, you really should at least
give the demo a try Greg.

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He understood me pretty well. This type of small but annoying bumps is
exactly what I meant, not some 'natural undulation' and it definately
isn't present in GPL.

Exactly. Going off the road does not have any effect whatsoever.

See, that's the problem - most people tend to support one racing
series or another. If all I want is "driving experience" I could do
that just as good if not better in real life on any open race track.
And btw considering the current wheather conditions I could make such
experiences on any ordinary road ;)... Unfortunately I want a
simulation and here I think it takes a bit more than an accurate (?)
working car model.

I second that.

--Tel

Have you ever tried GPL at all?

If you have *and* still havn't  seen any bump, i suggest you try the
following:

Nurbugring: Cut the corners at Haltzenbach (the series of esses before the
Flugplatz).

Monza: The bumps down the start-straight.

Spa: Run out of road after Stavelot.

Mosport: Watch the car as you race from Moss  hairpin towards turn 8.
etc. etc....

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