No phenomenon, it is called 'level of detail' and it is
done for the very valid purpose of keeping the triangle
count within a certain budget.
If you want to see the worst implementation of LOD
run Interstate 76.
- George
No phenomenon, it is called 'level of detail' and it is
done for the very valid purpose of keeping the triangle
count within a certain budget.
If you want to see the worst implementation of LOD
run Interstate 76.
- George
>All the previews I read up to now consider it a major leap, at least
>the tester ALL agreed on not being able to go back to no FSAA...
I'm probably going to give one a try in a few months and see for
myself. Then save up for a new CPU for N4, and hopefully I'll be all
set. The only thing that has be wondering is N4 is suppose to have
T&L support. (Also I think B17-2 is suppose to support T&L)
While I like eye candy as much as the next guy, I'd rather give some
up for a faster frame rate. I'm just not sure which card will offer
the better frame rate. (I guess no one knows) :-)
Andy
- Max out _all_ graphics and sound options (in-car view,
detail bias slider at max, all textures, all objects,
full mirrors, max no of sound etc).
- Start a race at Monaco with 19 AI by skipping the
training so you end up at the end of the grid.
- Stay put at the start and write down
1/ The minimum framerate (when the AI starts the race)
2/ The framerate when the last AI disappears behind the
the first right-hander.
3/ The maximum framerate before you are thrown out.
I'm most interrested in the results for 1280x1024 and 1600x1200
without, with 2x and with 4x FSAA, but whatever you can manage
is better than nothing.
Here are some figures for reference:
Pentium Pro 233, Voodoo 2, Soundblaster ?
800x600 1024x768
1 4 3
2 7 6
3 11 11
Athlon 700, Voodoo 3/3000, Soundblaster Live
800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 1600x1200
1 25 21 18 17
2 36 36 32 26
3 36 36 36 31
_
Mats Lofkvist
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>No phenomenon, it is called 'level of detail' and it is
>done for the very valid purpose of keeping the triangle
>count within a certain budget.
>If you want to see the worst implementation of LOD
>run Interstate 76.
Daniel
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You really do not need to run these high resolutions using 4x FSAA. If you
sat down with two computers, one running 800x600 FSAA and the other
1280x1024 (and you did not know which was which) I can almost guarantee you
would prefer the 800x600 4x FSAA.
I can't run any FSAA tests right now with AI, it locks up just loading
up the cars onto pitroad. There is definitely a compatibility problem
with GPL's glide rasterizer, and running with AI makes whatever it is
worse.
The Non-FSAA are basically CPU limited, as follows:
800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 1600x1200
1 20 19 18 17
2 29 28 26 24
3 36 36 36 36
The AI is really meaningless for the graphics card, if my processor
could handle 36fps on the grid, so could the video card. I would have
disabled the lock vsync to refresh rate prior to running the
tests, 120hz vsync vs. 60hz makes a big difference, but there isn't an
option available.
One interesting thing in this test is that the V5 can do 36fps at
1600x1200 once the AI was gone, where the V3 could only do 31 even
with a faster processor.
Also, looking at 1600x1200 for the first time I can tell you that
800x600 with 4X FSAA as well as 1024X768 with 2X FSAA look better,
especially since my refresh rate is only 60Hz at that resolution, but
for the moment FSAA in GPL isn't a reliable option on the V5.
.
>Yeah, it's just my luck though that the problems are with the 2
sims I
>care about most. They probably don't even know about the GPL
lockups
>yet, since no one outside of this newsgroup plays it.
There's a big world out there!
Chris
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You may want to let those 2 or 3 guys on Vroc that don't know what RAS
is know that FSAA has compatibility problems in GPL on the V5.
> .
> >Yeah, it's just my luck though that the problems are with the 2
> sims I
> >care about most. They probably don't even know about the GPL
> lockups
> >yet, since no one outside of this newsgroup plays it.
> I think thats a very ignorant comment. How do you know that no
> other people apart those in this NG play GPL? When I go to
> WinVroc or the Hotlap pages most of the names I see there I
> don't see in this group.
> There's a big world out there!
> Chris
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The AI adds graphics load, but of course it is more a system test
than a graphics test since they also add a lot of CPU load.
I agree that FSAA is best used at lower resolutions, but it is
easier to compare numbers if both with and without FSAA is tested
at the same resolutions.
The real killer app for FSAA imo is to use it with a projector;
that would finally make it possible to get a large enough screen
to make the field of view correct without the blockiness you would
usually get from the relatively low resolution.
Thanks for running the tests!
_
Mats Lofkvist
> If you have a non 3Dfx card and play N3, but are unable to use the
> anti-aliasing option, you will be impressed by the results of FSAA in
> N3. But it isn't *substantially* better than the edge only option on a
> V2/V3.
-Gregor
> > If you have a non 3Dfx card and play N3, but are unable to use the
> > anti-aliasing option, you will be impressed by the results of FSAA
in
> > N3. But it isn't *substantially* better than the edge only option
on a
> > V2/V3.
> Excuse my ignorance, but how do you enable edge AA on a Voodoo 3
card?
> -Gregor
Sudesh
> On Sun, 28 May 2000 04:12:40 GMT, "Victor Chan"
> >Yes, the P3B is coppermine ready. When you have a coppermine installed, the voltage is
> >automatically detected. About the FSB issue, you can use 133 MHz FSB but the AGP bus
> >speed would be at 89 MHz which my cause problems to your AGP card. Boards supporting
> >"officially" 133 MHz FSB would have a 1/2 AGP clock divider which results in 66 MHz. The
> >BX chipset only supports either 1/1 or 2/3 AGP clock divider.
> Victor,
> Wow, I didn't know the P3B was coppermine ready, for once I get lucky.
> :-)
> I noticed that they are making CPU's that are rated for either a 133
> FSB or a 100 FSB, so I'll just get the one rated for a 100 FSB, a new
> bios and I should be good to go. :-) You guys have saved me a lot of
> time and some money! Many thanks!
> Andy
> get the 133 Mhz coppermine, the board will automatically detect the
> proper fsb, and with some 133Mhz memory you'll be able to do some
> overclocking!!!
Having said that, I'm currently running a 600/133 on a P3B and have had
it running at 675/150, but not stable enough to be usable.....
Beers and cheers
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