rec.autos.simulators

wheel for GPL

David Shepher

wheel for GPL

by David Shepher » Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:09:43

My ActLab ForceRS is about to expire - ages ago I made the mistake of
hitting it in fustration and despite prolonging its life 2 or 3 times
with copious amounts of epoxy glue I think its probably reached its end.

While I'm happy with the FRS and would probably replace it I wondered if
anyone had strong opinions on the Thurstmaster Ferrari FF (or even MSFF)
as I can pick that up fro PCWorld while the ForceRS would be
significantly more expensive due to having to get it delivered.

Main problem with the Ferrari would appear to be lack of buttons as I'v
got used to gear changes with left hand thumb ... never got the hang of
the paddles + these expired in the first glue fixing (springs popped out
and I couldn't be bothered to force them back in) ... though I could
learn to use the "gear shift"

Any thoughts welcome!

Thanks

David Butte

wheel for GPL

by David Butte » Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:10:56

Well, you know my feelings on this by now - I'm on my second MSFF and
think they're absolutely great. Certainly the pedals are much better
than most other wheels'.

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Ian

wheel for GPL

by Ian » Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:46:15

My MSFF is still going strong after about 2 years of GPL. MS must be doing
something right at last <G>

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Sjoerd de Roes

wheel for GPL

by Sjoerd de Roes » Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:46:22


>Well, you know my feelings on this by now - I'm on my second MSFF and
>think they're absolutely great. Certainly the pedals are much better
>than most other wheels'.

I'm also an owner of the MSFF and I dislike the pedals. Sure they are better
than most budget stuff, but they are nothing compared to the pedals on the
better thrustmaster wheels(excluding the ferrari force wheel). I've recently
tried the ferrari wheel and I'm ordering it today. I think it's far better
than the MSFF.

Not that it seems to matter in gpl since your handicap is very low. Compared
to mine at least.

Sjoerd

Sébastien Tixie

wheel for GPL

by Sébastien Tixie » Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:40:18

Hi ,
I've change my MSFF.
I've just bought the Thrusmaster Ferrari FF Wheel, it is fantastic !
Wheel is very ergonomic, pedals are very precise
 for the TFFF ranges are
Accel 0-256, brake 0-1024, steering 0-1024
and for the MSFF it is
Accel 0-64 , brake 0-64, steering 0-1024
( value taken from GPL )

I have it since Friday and i already manage to beat 2 PB :
Kyalami , MSFF 1:20:71 , TFFF 1:20:13
Rouen ,   MSFF  1:56:65, TFFF 1:56:10

The traction control with the pedals are great + the Force effect are
weaker than the MS but smother and more precise ( IMO ).

David Buttery a crit :

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Simon Brow

wheel for GPL

by Simon Brow » Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:10:45

I briefly had the USB MSFF but with FF turned on, it slowed down GPL so much
(about 25% frame-rate hit in demanding conditions like race-starts) that I
had to take it back for a refund.  It also displayed the same behaviour on
the PCWorld computers when they tested it in the shop with Sports Car GT.
The FF is a little sudden and jerky compared with the smooth Logitech, and
the MSFF is also quite noisy.

I also have the old Logitech and the Ferrari.  I've heard it said many times
that the old Logitech and Force RS are of similar quality, so hopefully that
will give you a frame of reference for my opinions of the Ferrari, which is
in my opinion not as good as the Logitech.  The Ferrari has very
light-weight tacky pedals.  For some reason the top surface of the pedals
pivots on it's support, like helicopter pedals, but unlike helicopter pedals
the supports still move like normal pedals, so you're left with 2 axis of
movement.  This makes the pedals difficult to use precisely, and I ended up
modifying mine to stop the top bit pivotting.  Also the pedals feel like
they could break easily.

Other things wrong with the Ferrari are the clamping mechanism, which never
feels really secure even when fastenned impossibly tight.  If you use the
badly placed stick shifter the whole unit rocks about.  It also takes an age
to remove from your desk, and the wires are badly organised.  Also the
button placings are a bit awkward.

I've never seen or used a Force RS, but from everything I've heard it sounds
better than these two wheels.  The MSFF would have been great if it didn't
use so many CPU cycles generating it's effects.

I'm actually using a non-FF MS Precision Racing Wheel now, which is
basically just a USB MSFF with the FF removed.  The pedals are enough better
than the Logitech to make me happy without FF.


David Butte

wheel for GPL

by David Butte » Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:03:17


<snip>

Just goes to show what an individual choice a wheel is - some people
love the MS, some hate it. I have tried a Ferrari wheel (ie had a
proper long go with it) and disliked it. Just didn't give me enough
feedback.

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92)
The GPL Scrapyard - http://scrapyard.netcabins.com
Earn (not very much) cash with "Ciao!" reviews - http://uk.ciao.com
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.


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