rec.autos.simulators

There have been some discussing lately about that CART should pay Papy to do a
sim, not the other way.

Then I just came up with an idea. AFAIK NASCAR is sanctioning the NROS series,
what if CART did the same thing. CART "persuade" Papy to make the greatest
CART sim ever and then starts an online series, that would also be promoted on
cart.com or maybe the races. <dream mode on> It is a fact that some of the CART
drivers plays racing sims, what about guest appearences <dream mode off>

It would be a bit more interesting than the CART Fantasy league that is going
on on cart.com.

Food for thought ?

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Olav K. Malmin
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If all these recent rumblings about a CART/IRL reunification deal or
some type of engine equivalency formula to allow both to run at Indy
actually bear fruit, a well-timed new CART/IRL open-wheel sim could
very well become  the biggest thing since NASCAR2.  A reunification of
sorts would renew the interest in open-wheel racing among race fans
everywhere, I think.  If a well-done open-wheel sim were to hit the
market at about the same time would be a blockbuster if it was done
right.  Combine that with good marketing and your suggestions about a
sanctioned on-line leage AND guest appearances by actual drivers, and
I think CART and the IRL could begin to give NASCAR a run for the
money.  

Much as I hate to say it, I dream of a unified open-wheel series
consisting of a Road/Street Championship Division (CART) and an Oval
Championship Division (IRL).  Teams could race whatever races they
wanted in whichever division, and in addition to a single overall
champion based on combined points, there would also be divisional
champions in the R/S and Oval divisions.  The strength and fan appeal
of a setup like this might be enough to make NASCAR and F1 tremble in
a few years.  

</DREAM OFF>

-- JB
   http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com/

I wish Ubisoft would make a CART racing game using the MGPRS2 engine. Of
course there could be no ovals (the F1RS engine doesn't do banking on
tracks). But I think it would still be a cool game (not as good as the one
you guy's are dreaming about), and it would not cost Ubisoft alot of money
to develop it.

<DREAM OFF>

NO WAY.  Thats what makes CART so damn fun is the fact that drivers MUST
(they are forced to) excel on a variety of circuits from temporary road
courses up to superspeedways (only thing missing are 1/2 ovals which these
cars really wouldn't work on).

And why in the world would F1 and NASCAR tremble by CART/IRL (without George
or Mehl, both morons) circuit that was basically two series that resembled
a) openwheels running all road/street courses just like F1 but in turbo
powered cars, b) an openwheel oval series competing on many of the same
tracks as NASCAR and is currently doing not all that well.  No, if I was F1
or NASCAR I'd just laugh.

IRL is not that unique, its basically NASCAR with fewer drivers and in
openwheel "Indy"-style cars.  Only thing it has is the Indy500 to make it
unique, big deal.  CART on the other hand IS unique.  F1 doesn't do ovals,

What other major racing series does both ovals, road courses and street
courses all in the same season?  Thats right, only CART.  Bring back the
teams, or at least the better teams from IRL, and the Indy500 and it would
only help make CART more unique.

Oh, and btw...overall champion? That wouldn't mean anything John, especially
since you'd end up having for the most part two different sets of
drivers/teams running each branch of your combined IRL/CART series but also
totally different tracks.  There is no way you can compare them then, just
like you really can't compare an F1 champ to a CART champ or NASCAR champ
(you can, but to do so is rampant stupidity.) as there is not any sort of
common factor to compare them against.

Thankfully, its just a dream. Ugh.

A CART sim without ovals would be cack! It's like not bothering with Full
Course Yellow's ...who on earth would release a CART sim like that!?

:-)

Rob Swindells
4th in Goldline Bearing FFord Championship (12 Points);
8 points behined Championship Leader (as of round 3 of 6)

<dream on>

I hope your message was full of sarcasm, as no real *** simracer would
want the crappy Ubisoft game engine to be created for a CART simulation.  We
would rather wait and have Papyrus doing it with the GPL Game engine, since
IIRC they still have a CART license until 2001

<dream off>

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

As a 'European'/Brit, I would rather see Papy develop either a CART
sim or modern F1 sim as the follow on to GPL.
But hey, since Papy is primarily US as far as I know, I guess they've
got to do NASCAR as well (Shame ;)  ).

Since NASCAR 3 is next, then I would like to see any of the following
next:
1. GPL 2 - 1976-ish season
2. Indy Car 3(?) - Follow on to the previous Indy Car sims
3. GP3 'rival'.

I actually wouldn't mind which really, but CART does tempt me.

Actually, given the GP3 seems to be happening, EVENTUALLY, I guess
Papy should stick to CART or GPL type sims.

Ohh well, thats my two pence, sorry two cents :)

I'm sure whatever Papy did after NASCAR 3, and as long as it used the
GPL engine (or its successor), it would be pretty damn good.

Gavin

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Well, you'll probably be waiting awhile, look at how long the GPL patch
took. Look at how long it takes Papy to create a new game. Nascar 3 is
nothing more than an updated Nascar 2. I wouldn't expect a CART sim from
Papy by 2001. Thats just too quick for those guy's. To be fair, there games
are the best, when they do get around to finishing them.
If Ubisoft were to do a CART game, it would only take 6 months to a year, if
it were based on the MGPRS2 engine. In my opinion it would be a bigger
success in the US than MGPRS2 / F1RS.
As far as which would be best, of course the Papy sim would be way better,
but I would rather have a decent CART game than none at all.
And sorry, if it ain't 3D accelerated, it ain't worth playing (my opinion,
flame away). I didn't spend all my money on a computer to play games from
the early 90's.

Borut

let's just say Damon is a almost great driver - but very good. Certainly
better than you can ever dream of getting.

btw I think i'd mention it's great that no one mentions CPR as it isn't
worth mentioning  - oops, I mentioned it ;))