rec.autos.simulators

by **Steve Ferguso** » Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Perhaps it's silly, but I would like to see the driver climb out of the
car after a retirement. I always found it strange in GP2 to see the
driver just disappear.

Stephen

by **Remco Moe** » Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Hmmm, if I look at your feature list, with all those graphics like
animated pitstops, debrise, 1024x786....how much FPS do you
expect with a Rendition? I know my Rendition can't handle 1024x768
in GPL....

Beside, do you want a developer to get the most from the newest
hardware, or some 4 year old hardware? Hey, it is so easy to create a
feature list, I would like a lifelike full FF simulation on my
ZX-80....

Remco

by **Olav K. Malm** » Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:00:00

> >You forget that Nascar 2 initially only had Rendition support. So that was 3
> >sims that were Rendition only, and then N99 and GPL continued with a rendition
> >rasturizer. The games looked terrible in SVGA compared to 3d rendition. So of
> >course were went to buy rendition cards.

> Hmmm, if I look at your feature list, with all those graphics like
> animated pitstops, debrise, 1024x786....how much FPS do you
> expect with a Rendition? I know my Rendition can't handle 1024x768
> in GPL....

> Beside, do you want a developer to get the most from the newest
> hardware, or some 4 year old hardware? Hey, it is so easy to create a
> feature list, I would like a lifelike full FF simulation on my
> ZX-80....

^^^^^

Great computer, Imagine GPL on 80x50 resolution with a framerate of about
0.1 :)

My biggest problem is that we actually sold our trusty ZX-81 bought in 82. I
think it is acutally worth something today.

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by **Chris Schlette** » Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I'd sure love to know what type of licenses MS, Papy and Sega have..if they
are exclusive for a certain period of time, etc. I think Papy's license is
coming to an end next year....been awhile, but I remember reading a press
from Papy about the time they release CART Racing remake of ICR2 that they
had secured a CART license to 2001...but then again, its been awhile.
ANyone know?

> Can't do it...the CART license is locked up by
> Microsoft, Papyrus and Sega.
> dave henrie

> > <DREAM ON>

> > I wish Ubisoft would make a CART racing game using the MGPRS2 engine. Of
> > course there could be no ovals (the F1RS engine doesn't do banking on
> > tracks). But I think it would still be a cool game (not as good as the
one
> > you guy's are dreaming about), and it would not cost Ubisoft alot of
money
> > to develop it.

> > <DREAM OFF>

> > > <DREAM ON>

> > > If all these recent rumblings about a CART/IRL reunification deal or
> > > some type of engine equivalency formula to allow both to run at Indy
> > > actually bear fruit, a well-timed new CART/IRL open-wheel sim could
> > > very well become the biggest thing since NASCAR2. A reunification of
> > > sorts would renew the interest in open-wheel racing among race fans
> > > everywhere, I think. If a well-done open-wheel sim were to hit the
> > > market at about the same time would be a blockbuster if it was done
> > > right. Combine that with good marketing and your suggestions about a
> > > sanctioned on-line leage AND guest appearances by actual drivers, and
> > > I think CART and the IRL could begin to give NASCAR a run for the
> > > money.

> > > Much as I hate to say it, I dream of a unified open-wheel series
> > > consisting of a Road/Street Championship Division (CART) and an Oval
> > > Championship Division (IRL). Teams could race whatever races they
> > > wanted in whichever division, and in addition to a single overall
> > > champion based on combined points, there would also be divisional
> > > champions in the R/S and Oval divisions. The strength and fan appeal
> > > of a setup like this might be enough to make NASCAR and F1 tremble in
> > > a few years.

> > > </DREAM OFF>

> > > -- JB

by **Chris Schlette** » Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I dunno...Sierra is supposedly going to have N3 on its own *** system, so
I'm not sure.

> Good idea, but doesn't Nascar have a No-Compete clause with
> Papyrus for NROS?? ie no other Online service may be made by Papy
> that would detract from NROS. Not 100% sure on that, but I seem
> to remember something like that when NROS was first starting.
> dave henrie

> > Hello,

> > There have been some discussing lately about that CART should pay Papy
to do a
> > sim, not the other way.

> > Then I just came up with an idea. AFAIK NASCAR is sanctioning the NROS
series,
> > what if CART did the same thing. CART "persuade" Papy to make the
greatest
> > CART sim ever and then starts an online series, that would also be
promoted on
> > cart.com or maybe the races. <dream mode on> It is a fact that some of
the CART
> > drivers plays racing sims, what about guest appearences <dream mode off>

> > It would be a bit more interesting than the CART Fantasy league that is
going
> > on on cart.com.

> > Food for thought ?

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> > Olav K. Malmin
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by **PiP** » Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I believe that CART champ is a good driver, F1 champ is on the team with the
most money.

JB

> Hmm, you can compare CART champion to F1 champion. Cart champion is maybe
a
> good driver and the F1 champion is almost certainly a very good driver ( i
> can't say that F1 champ is certainly a very good driver because of D. Hill
> being a F1 champion ). Or did you mean championship ( otherwise you have
to
> explain what champ means, BTW i'm not native english speaker ).

> Borut

> > > Much as I hate to say it, I dream of a unified open-wheel series
> > > consisting of a Road/Street Championship Division (CART) and an Oval
> > > Championship Division (IRL).

> > NO WAY. Thats what makes CART so damn fun is the fact that drivers MUST
> > (they are forced to) excel on a variety of circuits from temporary road
> > courses up to superspeedways (only thing missing are 1/2 ovals which
these
> > cars really wouldn't work on).

> > And why in the world would F1 and NASCAR tremble by CART/IRL (without
> George
> > or Mehl, both morons) circuit that was basically two series that
resembled
> > a) openwheels running all road/street courses just like F1 but in turbo
> > powered cars, b) an openwheel oval series competing on many of the same
> > tracks as NASCAR and is currently doing not all that well. No, if I was
> F1
> > or NASCAR I'd just laugh.

> > IRL is not that unique, its basically NASCAR with fewer drivers and in
> > openwheel "Indy"-style cars. Only thing it has is the Indy500 to make
it
> > unique, big deal. CART on the other hand IS unique. F1 doesn't do
ovals,

> > What other major racing series does both ovals, road courses and street
> > courses all in the same season? Thats right, only CART. Bring back the
> > teams, or at least the better teams from IRL, and the Indy500 and it
would
> > only help make CART more unique.

> > Oh, and btw...overall champion? That wouldn't mean anything John,
> especially
> > since you'd end up having for the most part two different sets of
> > drivers/teams running each branch of your combined IRL/CART series but
> also
> > totally different tracks. There is no way you can compare them then,
just
> > like you really can't compare an F1 champ to a CART champ or NASCAR
champ
> > (you can, but to do so is rampant stupidity.) as there is not any sort
of
> > common factor to compare them against.

> > Thankfully, its just a dream. Ugh.

by **PiP** » Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I believe when he said overall champ, he meant that the drivers would race
in BOTH series but if you just wanted to race in one, you could still win a
champ in that. So you basically have 3 different series. One for oval
drivers, one for road drivers, one for people that want to drive both.
Basically we already have something like this. We have IRL, F1, and CART.
I suppose bringing them together under one name could help them pool their
efforts to grab the spectators but leaving them how it is would also be
fine. I wouldnt mind letting IRL die instead of CART trying to use its last
resources keeping it alive. IRL is a small man's dream to make him feel
worth something. I'll leave it at that.

JB

> > Much as I hate to say it, I dream of a unified open-wheel series
> > consisting of a Road/Street Championship Division (CART) and an Oval
> > Championship Division (IRL).

> NO WAY. Thats what makes CART so damn fun is the fact that drivers MUST
> (they are forced to) excel on a variety of circuits from temporary road
> courses up to superspeedways (only thing missing are 1/2 ovals which these
> cars really wouldn't work on).

> And why in the world would F1 and NASCAR tremble by CART/IRL (without
George
> or Mehl, both morons) circuit that was basically two series that resembled
> a) openwheels running all road/street courses just like F1 but in turbo
> powered cars, b) an openwheel oval series competing on many of the same
> tracks as NASCAR and is currently doing not all that well. No, if I was
F1
> or NASCAR I'd just laugh.

> IRL is not that unique, its basically NASCAR with fewer drivers and in
> openwheel "Indy"-style cars. Only thing it has is the Indy500 to make it
> unique, big deal. CART on the other hand IS unique. F1 doesn't do ovals,

> What other major racing series does both ovals, road courses and street
> courses all in the same season? Thats right, only CART. Bring back the
> teams, or at least the better teams from IRL, and the Indy500 and it would
> only help make CART more unique.

> Oh, and btw...overall champion? That wouldn't mean anything John,
especially
> since you'd end up having for the most part two different sets of
> drivers/teams running each branch of your combined IRL/CART series but
also
> totally different tracks. There is no way you can compare them then, just
> like you really can't compare an F1 champ to a CART champ or NASCAR champ
> (you can, but to do so is rampant stupidity.) as there is not any sort of
> common factor to compare them against.

> Thankfully, its just a dream. Ugh.

by **Rand** » Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:00:00

On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:22:47 -0500, "Chris Schletter"

>> Hmm, you can compare CART champion to F1 champion.

they really aren't

I don't even think this comparison is valid because it depends so much
on what team you drive in F1. Look at what has happened to Jacques,
drives with a top team and wins the campionship, drives with a new
team and can't even finish a race. I think one of the biggest
differences between F1 and CART is that in F1 it is about 50% car, 50%
driver and in CART it is about 30% car, 70% driver. In F1 we get to
watch 2 or 3 teams compete, wihile the rest is just window dressing.
In CART you have had 12 races with 9 different winners so far this
year. I guess there is another difference, even though I love F1,
CART is more fun to watch.

Randy

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by **Arthur Axelra** » Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Before you mentioned native rendition support for the next cart game if they
ever do it. But at 1024x768 that rendition card would only do like 5fps, so
why bother? Now unless rendition comes with a new card, but they bailed on
the V3300. And the V4400 is an unknown situation right now. Both Voodoo4 and
NV10 will be out before V4400. Both cards will be fast enough to handle
anything thrown at them. I suprised anyone still runs a rendition card,
bahahahaha, let me guess you still have like a P133 or something? Though I
give rendition credit for going after embedded DRAM, but who knows when a
card from them will come out using this, it could be never as with the
V3300.

Art
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by **Eldre** » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00

writes:

I'd agree with that. It seems that F1 is MUCH more technically driven than any
other major racing series. After all, we KNOW Villeneuve and Zanardi are good
drivers. However, they're currently struggling in F1 on 'lesser' teams. I'd
guess that if Zanardi were in a McLaren or Ferrari, his season would be a LOT
different...

Eldred

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by **Sky** » Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Someone with my full support - I hate ovals :)

Chris

by **Sky** » Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:00:00

<< that CART doesn't race at anymore like
Cleveland

Errr ... CART raced at Cleveland about a month ago.

by **Sky** » Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:00:00

And Viper Racing has a physics model 2nd only to GPL in terms of driving
realism - certainly much better than ICR2. Maybe MGI will do a CART sim next
...

Chris

> No. I seem to remember that GP2 was a very good simulation of F1 and was
> not done by Papyrus. Its possible that other developers could step up to
> the plate and offer up something of equal or better than what Papyrus
could
> do. After all, before the problems with GTI, it appears from all reports
> that TAR was going to be a very good simulation (of course we really will
> never know). Also reports are that both GP500 and AMA Superbike done by
> Microprose and Motorsims respectively are quite excellent sims. And there
> is hope for Rally Championship. So its not all do or die by Papyrus.

> > On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:42:36 -0500, "Chris Schletter"

> > >Doesn't even have to be from Papyrus.... as long as its a good quality
> > >simulation of CART racing.

> > Isn't that an oxymoron?

by **Dave Henri** » Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:00:00

> << that CART doesn't race at anymore like
> Cleveland

> Errr ... CART raced at Cleveland about a month ago.

Not anymore. Unless things change, the Cleveland
race will be a modified IRL oval, (flat!) and 'probably'
CART will fill the spot with a date at Road Atlanta
dave henrie

by **Chet Zerli** » Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:00:00

how come I never see a CART race at Sebring? I know they test there! Is it
too bumpy? If so, then why the heck would they test there if it's too
bumpy? I guess to work with springs and shocks or whathaveyou.

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>> << that CART doesn't race at anymore like
>> Cleveland

>> Errr ... CART raced at Cleveland about a month ago.

> Not anymore. Unless things change, the Cleveland
>race will be a modified IRL oval, (flat!) and 'probably'
>CART will fill the spot with a date at Road Atlanta
>dave henrie

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