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by **wa5ho** » Mon, 25 Jun 2001 06:26:54

Did you guys hear the comment on the Speedvision F1 Friday practice
show about Hans Stuck doing a sub 8 minute lap of the Nordschleiffe
(sp?) in a specially worked up BMW LMP? Love to see the onboard from
that one!

by **Christopher G Rossi** » Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:13:16

I caught that too, I think he must have made a mistake. In 1975 Lauda
had a 6m 58.6s lap for Ferrari to get the pole for the GP. Others have
pointed out that someone went even faster than that in a later year and
not in a GP car. Lauda's was on the 14.189 mile lap length. I am using
stats from Autocourse 1975-76. I made a recording of an announcement
that day (out at Wehrseifen) that I am quite sure was for that lap,
apart from the historical significance for all us Ring fans, the best
part is the reaction of some fans to this announcement that I also
caught on my cassette recorder) I have often wished that there was
someway some GPL Wizard could take a wav file of that announcement and
have our Ring lap times and our names issue out of our speakers
substituting for Lauda and Ferrari, if necessary, as we head for the
North Curve, in German too, of course!

> Did you guys hear the comment on the Speedvision F1 Friday practice
> show about Hans Stuck doing a sub 8 minute lap of the Nordschleiffe
> (sp?) in a specially worked up BMW LMP? Love to see the onboard from
> that one!

by **sudes** » Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:38:31

and then there is Derk bell's 6.25.xx lap from 1985.....

Sudesh

> I caught that too, I think he must have made a mistake. In 1975 Lauda
> had a 6m 58.6s lap for Ferrari to get the pole for the GP. Others have
> pointed out that someone went even faster than that in a later year and
> not in a GP car. Lauda's was on the 14.189 mile lap length. I am using
> stats from Autocourse 1975-76. I made a recording of an announcement
> that day (out at Wehrseifen) that I am quite sure was for that lap,
> apart from the historical significance for all us Ring fans, the best
> part is the reaction of some fans to this announcement that I also
> caught on my cassette recorder) I have often wished that there was
> someway some GPL Wizard could take a wav file of that announcement and
> have our Ring lap times and our names issue out of our speakers
> substituting for Lauda and Ferrari, if necessary, as we head for the
> North Curve, in German too, of course!

> > Did you guys hear the comment on the Speedvision F1 Friday practice
> > show about Hans Stuck doing a sub 8 minute lap of the Nordschleiffe
> > (sp?) in a specially worked up BMW LMP? Love to see the onboard from
> > that one!

by **Ville V Sinkk** » Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:38:22

> and then there is Derk bell's 6.25.xx lap from 1985.....

But wasn't driven on the current slightly shorter track?

+Cinquo

by **sudes** » Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:52:42

I have no idea, it is listed at the official site for the track...
www.nuerburgring.de i think....

> > and then there is Derk bell's 6.25.xx lap from 1985.....

> But wasn't driven on the current slightly shorter track?

> +Cinquo

by **Wayne Hutchiso** » Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:01:04

I thought I heard them mention this during the race today too. Didn't they
say it was a special Sport Utility vehicle with the LMP engine?

Wayne Hutchison

by **Dale Gree** » Tue, 26 Jun 2001 06:19:56

: I thought I heard them mention this during the race today too. Didn't they
: say it was a special Sport Utility vehicle with the LMP engine?
:

Yeah, I was surprised to hear that! BMW M5 with the V-12 LMP engine. Man,
I'd trade my Ford Explorer for one of those... and then still be short about
$75K I imagine <sigh>.

Dale.

by **Tim Vanhe** » Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:47:13

Not an M5, but an X5 with the 700bhp LMP V12. I have an article about that
ride with the X5 Le Mans in a magazine.
I'll scan the article if I don't forget it...(it's in dutch)

> : I thought I heard them mention this during the race today too. Didn't
they
> : say it was a special Sport Utility vehicle with the LMP engine?
> :

> Yeah, I was surprised to hear that! BMW M5 with the V-12 LMP engine.
Man,
> I'd trade my Ford Explorer for one of those... and then still be short
about
> $75K I imagine <sigh>.

> Dale.

by **Dale Gree** » Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:56:52

: Not an M5, but an X5

That's right. My mistake.

Dale.

by **Andre Warrin** » Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:06:24

On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 02:38:31 +0200, "sudesh"

>and then there is Derk bell's 6.25.xx lap from 1985.....

>Sudesh

And I thought my 12:00 was pretty hot :(

Andre

by **Anton Norup Soerense** » Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:45:03

Fortunately, they list both time and average speed, so the track length is
easy to calculate:

Formel 1 7:06.4 192.8 km/h 22836m
Gruppe C 6:25.91 194.33km/h 20832m

Kind regards,
Anton

by **Christopher G Rossi** » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 01:59:51

The time I referenced was in qualifying for the GP in '75.
I understand that official lap records have to be in the race
(in this case Regazzoni, Ferrari, lap 7 of 1975 GP - his engine blew up
and he made only 9 laps) just like in GPL, right?

I have located my cassette tape of the historic event in question
and found that the announcement of the dead on 7 min lap of Carlos Pace,
Brabham, also was recorded without a gaggle of cars going through
Wehrseifen blocking it out. Pace's lap may have beaten Lauda's but for
his engine having a stuck valve while exiting that last chicane before
the
line (?)- called the braking chicane in Autocourse. His reaction to
this,
standing up in the***pit while in the pits yelling and shaking his
***at the mechanics (he thought at the time that they had
miscalculated the amount of fuel on board) is another example of how art
(GPL) reflects life.

It isn't the best recording of the 1975 cars - far from it - but near
the end of the tape I may have the best ever recording of activity at
the refreshment stand near that corner (bottles/cans being opened,
change
hitting the counter and cash register doors slamming shut!

> >> > and then there is Derk bell's 6.25.xx lap from 1985.....
> >> But wasn't driven on the current slightly shorter track?
> > I have no idea, it is listed at the official site for the track...
> > www.nuerburgring.de i think....

> Fortunately, they list both time and average speed, so the track length is
> easy to calculate:

> Formel 1 7:06.4 192.8 km/h 22836m
> Gruppe C 6:25.91 194.33km/h 20832m

> Kind regards,
> Anton

by **Robin Lor** » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 03:12:08

LOL! don't worry my first lap was 14mins! mind you the car only had 50hp

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Nrburgring and Grand Prix Legends

by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:44:23

On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:12:08 +0100, "Robin Lord"

>LOL! don't worry my first lap was 14mins! mind you the car only had 50hp

50hp? What kind of car was that?

Andre

by **Dave McEnt** » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:10:44

> Did you guys hear the comment on the Speedvision F1 Friday practice
> show about Hans Stuck doing a sub 8 minute lap of the Nordschleiffe
> (sp?) in a specially worked up BMW LMP? Love to see the onboard from
> that one!

I found an article about it on the American LeMans Series website
here...

http://www.americanlemans.com/News/News.asp?ID=279

Not too much information there, but they are stating it is a world
record(?)

Stuck comments that the X5 reached a top speed of 311km/h on the
straight! Totally insane!

Dave McEntee

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