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by **Stefan** » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

In N3 there isn't C***te Motorspeedway....I mean it's still there but its
name is now Lowe's: Why?

Stefano

by **Target** » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

The name was changed last year I believe.
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by **jcchas** » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

because Lowe's Home Improvement Stores bought the rights to rename it.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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> In N3 there isn't C***te Motorspeedway....I mean it's still there but
its
> name is now Lowe's: Why?

> Stefano

by **Mike Peterse** » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Because Lowes has a multi year, multi million dollar contact with C***te
to rename the track.

> In N3 there isn't C***te Motorspeedway....I mean it's still there but
its
> name is now Lowe's: Why?

> Stefano

by **david kar** » Thu, 07 Oct 1999 04:00:00

that's simply awful--another example of the destruction of civic space . . .

in 20 years even your own mailbox will be sponsored

> Because Lowes has a multi year, multi million dollar contact with
C***te
> to rename the track.

by **Eldre** » Thu, 07 Oct 1999 04:00:00

>In N3 there isn't C***te Motorspeedway....I mean it's still there but its
>name is now Lowe's: Why?

>Stefano

Lowe's threw a bunch of money at the owners of the actual speedway, so they
renamed it. Sad state of affairs(commercialism). 3Com Park, Lowe's Speedway,
Comerica Park...<sigh>

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by **Charli** » Fri, 08 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Boy, you got that right. Take all the corporate money out of racing!! Then
we can all go to the track and watch the grass grow.

Get real! You can't complain about corporate SPONSORSHIP of racing. Well,
you can, but getting rid of it would be "cutting off your nose to spite your
face."

You think those teams would be able to afford to spend millions of dollars a
season (per team) to put on such a good show without corporate money? Money
for track improvements has to come from somewhere too.

I say we should be thanking Lowes and others who sponsor our favorite sports
by supporting them. I think I will go buy a shovel from Lowes and a rake
from Home Depot right now!! :-)

Not to mention buying Blue Bonnet butter and shopping at mall.com, since
they are sponsering the races I will attend next weekend!

Charlie

>that's simply awful--another example of the destruction of civic space . .
.

>in 20 years even your own mailbox will be sponsored

>> Because Lowes has a multi year, multi million dollar contact with
>C***te
>> to rename the track.

>> > In N3 there isn't C***te Motorspeedway....I mean it's still there
but
>> its
>> > name is now Lowe's: Why?

>> > Stefano

by **ssra** » Fri, 08 Oct 1999 04:00:00

On Thu, 07 Oct 1999 03:32:29 GMT, "Charlie"

>Boy, you got that right. Take all the corporate money out of racing!! Then
>we can all go to the track and watch the grass grow.

The best thing I have seen re: stadium renaming has been the switch
from Candlestick park to 3com, in which by the time even the
announcers started to say 3com (something MNF was having a hard time
with even this year) they just played the last Giants game there (and
if I am not mistaken last season of NFL too).
The new stadium being built is not leased by 3com either,
Talk about a waste of money.. Motto being if you by the name to a
staduim (speedway etc.) that has been around for 20+ years people wil
NOT call it by YOUR new name no matter how hard you beg.

My 2c, If a company wants to do this try to incorporate the original
name, otherwise you just***people off and they still call it what
they want (candlestick, C***te etc.)

by **Chuck Kandle** » Fri, 08 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Funny, seems racing thrived just fine *long before* all this commercialism
bullshit. Seems you're more than willing to play along, though, with your
shovel & rake purchases. Just another weak-minded sheep following the herd!
Blatant commercialism trying to play me for a fool in order to get my money
makes me much less likely to buy a product, just out of outrage.

> Boy, you got that right. Take all the corporate money out of racing!! Then
> we can all go to the track and watch the grass grow.

> Get real! You can't complain about corporate SPONSORSHIP of racing. Well,
> you can, but getting rid of it would be "cutting off your nose to spite your
> face."

> You think those teams would be able to afford to spend millions of dollars a
> season (per team) to put on such a good show without corporate money? Money
> for track improvements has to come from somewhere too.

> I say we should be thanking Lowes and others who sponsor our favorite sports
> by supporting them. I think I will go buy a shovel from Lowes and a rake
> from Home Depot right now!! :-)

> Not to mention buying Blue Bonnet butter and shopping at mall.com, since
> they are sponsering the races I will attend next weekend!

> Charlie

> >that's simply awful--another example of the destruction of civic space . .
> .

> >in 20 years even your own mailbox will be sponsored

> >> Because Lowes has a multi year, multi million dollar contact with
> >C***te
> >> to rename the track.

> >> > In N3 there isn't C***te Motorspeedway....I mean it's still there
> but
> >> its
> >> > name is now Lowe's: Why?

> >> > Stefano

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by **david kar** » Fri, 08 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Um, calm down kiddo. Who said anything about taking "all the corporate
money out of racing"? I think there's a difference between Mobil or Canon
putting a sticker on the side of Nigel Mansell's Williams, and a
landmark--one that holds deep meaning for a local community--being renamed
for a g*ddamed store.

Would you like your kid to go to "Coca-Cola's Millettville High School"?
Would you like to see your city named "Intel's Sparkesburg, ***ia"? Or
how about Walmartsville? Look at the long trajectory, and maybe you'll
acknowledge I have a point at least worth considering;--instead of
immediately assuming a defensive knee-jerk reaction.

love,
DK

> Boy, you got that right. Take all the corporate money out of racing!!
Then
> we can all go to the track and watch the grass grow.

> Get real! You can't complain about corporate SPONSORSHIP of racing.
Well,
> you can, but getting rid of it would be "cutting off your nose to spite
your
> face."

> You think those teams would be able to afford to spend millions of dollars
a
> season (per team) to put on such a good show without corporate money?
Money
> for track improvements has to come from somewhere too.

> I say we should be thanking Lowes and others who sponsor our favorite
sports
> by supporting them. I think I will go buy a shovel from Lowes and a rake
> from Home Depot right now!! :-)

> Not to mention buying Blue Bonnet butter and shopping at mall.com, since
> they are sponsering the races I will attend next weekend!

> Charlie

> >that's simply awful--another example of the destruction of civic space .
.
> .

> >in 20 years even your own mailbox will be sponsored

> >> Because Lowes has a multi year, multi million dollar contact with
> >C***te
> >> to rename the track.

> >> > In N3 there isn't C***te Motorspeedway....I mean it's still there
> but
> >> its
> >> > name is now Lowe's: Why?

> >> > Stefano

by **Dave Cas** » Sat, 09 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Seem to thrive, huh? Let's see. Before the sponsorship came along you could
buy a ticket to any race on the day of the race at the ticket booth. Let's
also talk about the fact that you wouldn't get to see half the races each year
because nobody cared to televise them. Hell, even the Busch races are
televised now.

So if you want to sit there in your log cabin and whine and complain about the
sponsors having wrecked the racing game go right ahead. Just reminds me of
the losers that sit around all day and cry about how things were so much
better back in the fifties and sixties and think that change is the big evil
monster of the present day.

Dave Casey
Casey94 (TEN)

by **Charli** » Sat, 09 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Sorry David, I wasn't trying to sound like I had lost my cool. :-)

I guess I just don't see it your way. It's not "simply awful" or an
"example of the destruction of civic space" to me.

To me, it's somebody else providing some money so that the sport I like to
watch is supported by something other than ticket prices. Going to the
races isn't cheap. Building (or improving) a race track is a huge
investment, and a track is more than extremely lucky to get a half-dozen
major events a year. A major corporation pouring a few million bucks in the
pot means that much less that has to be paid for with ticket-price-hikes.

Charlie

P.S.- If they want to support my children's school, that is okay too :-) I
would happily send my children to AT&T High if it improved the education
they would get. I would still shop around for my long-distance carrier, but
AT&T would be my first choice if their rates were competitive.

by **Charli** » Sat, 09 Oct 1999 04:00:00

>Funny, seems racing thrived just fine *long before* all this commercialism
>bullshit. Seems you're more than willing to play along, though, with your
>shovel & rake purchases. Just another weak-minded sheep following the
herd!
>Blatant commercialism trying to play me for a fool in order to get my money
>makes me much less likely to buy a product, just out of outrage.

Like I mentioned in a reply to a rather more rational post, I see it
as somebody else providing some money so that the sport I like to
watch is supported by something other than ticket prices. Going to the
races isn't cheap. Building (or improving) a race track is a huge
investment, and a track is more than lucky to get a half-dozen
major events a year. A major corporation pouring a few million bucks in the
pot means that much less that has to be paid for with ticket-price-hikes.

In case you hadn't noticed, capitalism and commercialism are what motivate
those who sell the things we like to buy. Even racecar sims.

Charlie

by **Chuck Kandle** » Sat, 09 Oct 1999 04:00:00

> Like I mentioned in a reply to a rather more rational post, I see it
> as somebody else providing some money so that the sport I like to
> watch is supported by something other than ticket prices. Going to the
> races isn't cheap. Building (or improving) a race track is a huge
> investment, and a track is more than lucky to get a half-dozen
> major events a year. A major corporation pouring a few million bucks in the
> pot means that much less that has to be paid for with ticket-price-hikes.

So, that is to say that these things *cannot* be done any other way? Going back
to the late 60's/early 70's, (remember Richard Petty, Cale Yarborough, Buddy
Baker, etc?) there certainly were tracks built and TV coverage and everything
else. Racing survived. Its how it got to this point. My point is, I'm not
running out to Lowe's or Home Depot just because they sponsor a racing event &
give them my hard-earned money automatically as though I "owe them" for
anything. I owe them nothing. As David Karr put it so well in another post:

Now do you get the idea?

You are 100% right. That doesn't mean its a good thing, however. ;-)

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by **Roger Walke** » Sat, 09 Oct 1999 04:00:00

"The curse of commercialism is the ruin of sport, and the degeneracy of
motor racing as a sport is due to the financial issues now involved. The
charm disappears, and I can see in the near future the sporting element
obliterated altogether by the all-devouring monster of commercialism - the
curse of the twentieth century..."

Charles Jarrot, 1905

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