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by **Chris Schlette** » Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Not really. The Ferrari works just fine, its engine just doesn't....so
you'll have to Flintstone it everywhere. Yugo works just fine too, and its
engine provides some shake rattle and roll for free even.

by **DAVI** » Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Randy, I think he has ya there, but paying the devils advocate would she
believe you if you told her the Ferrari is in the shop.

Dave

by **John Walla** » Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>I don't have access to the Saitek wheel today (it's out on loan to a
>friend -- lucky guy!), so the jury is out on GPL and FF for me, but I
>imagine I'll think it's neat up to a point, and slowly drift back to
>using the TSW2 full-time (my TSW2 has a nicer wheel than my TSW <G>).

That was my experience exactly - right down to the TSW v's TSW2 :-)

Cheers!
John

by **Chris Schlette** » Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Then where did the Yugo comment come from? :)

I don't think anyone denies that one.

Depends on what you are after.

by **Greg Cisk** » Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>Oops, lol. Editor is out too lunch:)

>Now, may I ask you a question? Would you trade a Ferrari for a Gremlin just
>because the Gremlin had a radio and the Ferrari didn't? Same concept. In
the
>question you presented to me my choice was a working car or a non working

This assumes my Logitech doesn't work. It does. You seem a little
pissed that you may have blown huge bucks on your ECCI while
the FF wheels are *MUCH* cheaper and have a decent FF effect.
I think you may find that if GPL does FF properly you will get *MUCH*
more "feeling" from the FF than you will with your awesome ECCI.

And for the record I have nothing against ECCI wheels or TSW (in
fact I do like Travis). I do have something ECCI owners that try to
argue them selves into minimuzing a good FF wheel.

In that respect you are full of shit.

Time for me to go buy GPL :-)
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by **Greg Cisk** » Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>I don't think the other wheels are "crap" as you put it. The others are
>simply not built as well as the ECCI and TSW wheels.

Perhaps. However since my wheel hasn't come apart at the
seams it is currently in as good of shape as your ECCI. Oh
yeah, plus it has FF. So I imagine I can feel the inertia and
lack of traction and other things which now make setups
meaningful. You will not, but your is far superior because it
is an ECCI!!!!!!!

Upset? Nope, just fascinated with people trying to bullshit everyone.

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by **Ed Ba** » Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:00:00

On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:06:51 -0500,

I have a TSW and an ACT LABS FORCE RS. While the jury is still
out, I am liking GPL 1.1 (much) more on the FORCE RS. I never
thought I would say that, but there it is...

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by **Ed Ba** » Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:00:00

On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:10:01 -0500,

You betcha... :)

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by **Scottie Smit** » Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Look Greg, I'm not trying to minimize anything. I'm sure whatever wheel you
choose to use suits your needs and is a good wheel. Now you're trying to
tell me that I'm pissed because I bought the best wheel I could... yeah
right. I admitted that I would like to have FF, however, I'm not willing to
trade my ECCI to get it.

For the record, those of you who don't use ECCI or TSW wheels are just as
fast(if not faster) to slam us at any chance for owning an ECCI wheel.
Example: the post that started this part of this thread and your post Greg.
I didn't start this, remember? I was merely returning a shot that was fired
at ECCI and TSW owners. For no reason what-so-ever this guy comes out of no
where and takes a shot at ECCI and TSW owners because their wheels don't
have FF(why? I ask). What I did is the same thing you're doing with your
post; defending the wheel that I chose to purchase.

Scottie

by **Greg Cisk** » Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>Look Greg, I'm not trying to minimize anything. I'm sure whatever wheel you
>choose to use suits your needs and is a good wheel. Now you're trying to
>tell me that I'm pissed because I bought the best wheel I could... yeah
>right. I admitted that I would like to have FF, however, I'm not willing to
>trade my ECCI to get it.

Actually I think you said "My point is that the FF wheels on the market
today are no where no the quality of a ECCI wheel." IMHO this is total
BS. Quality? As far as surviving a nuclear blast? Yeah probably. Quality
as far as usability in a PC racing auto simulator? I don't think so. Are
you actually for real with that?

I have never found any reason to slam or flame a ECCI owner because
he/she was a ECCI owner. Until now. You are totally out there! Wow.

I guess I thought you started it by your reply to Randy where you say "My
point
is that the FF wheels on the market today are no where no the quality of a
ECCI wheel." We all bow to your superior wheel. Ohhhhh....

Get the hell out of here with that.

One guy did post about the ECCI costing $1000 and it didn't have FF.
I didn't think it was a big deal, but I suppose if I paid $1000 for a wheel
and it didn't have FF I would be a little sensitive about it. Especially
when kick ass FF wheels are available for $200. Yep I guess I would
be upset too.

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by **Scottie Smit** » Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:00:00

This was a dumb ass thread and both of us deserve a kick in the ass for
keeping it going. My apologies if I offended you or your wheel.

Scottie

by **Marko Viitane** » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

You forgot this one:

C) I have GPL 1.1 patch, shall we use my Mini Morris?

by **Scot** » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Why does anyone need to "slam" anyone? Especially over what freaking
wheel you guys own.

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I think the spelling is "Ugo" and the car has a 500cc engine,
Randy....something like the 1960s Fiat 500.

> > There isn't a FF wheel made today that I would trade my ECCI for. In
> fact
> > the only way that I'll ever be separated from my ECCI is to upgrade
> to a
> > newer ECCI:) I bet the TSW owners feel the same way.

> > You'll always be happy with your Yugo until you try a Ferrari. When
> you do
> > you'll realize what you've been missing:)

> Hmmm. Just to play the devil's advocate (since the devil is apparently
> too cold to do it himself), which would give you a better driving
> experience; a fully operational Yugo (whatever that may be :-), or a
> Ferrari that has no engine?

> Randy

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I must say that I agree with your stance.
I have what I consider to be amongst the best of the conventional (no FF)
wheel/pedal systems, the "Advantage 1".
The accuracy and stability of the pots after almost 12 month's continuous
usage (average 3 hours per day) is exceptional.
Oh...I'll eventually get FF, to be sure. But right now I am not prepared to
risk exchanging a high-quality controller system for what could be an
inferior type simply to gain a feature. When the manufacturers of the
top-notch steering systems introduce FF I'll have a look.

> Is this a loaded question or what? Either way I answer I hang myself, so I
> give<waving white flag>. Man, you're good:)

> I'm sure that you guys did an excellent job with the FF in GPL. Papy is
the
> best. My point is that the FF wheels on the market today are no where no
the
> quality of a ECCI wheel. Yes, I would like to have a FF wheel but I'm not
> willing to trade quality for one feature.

> Now, may I ask you a question? Would you trade a Gremlin for a Ferrari
just
> because the Gremlin had a radio and the Ferrari didn't? Same concept. In
the
> question you presented to me my choice was a working car or a non working
> car and what we're really talking about here is a feature(i.e.. my ECCI
> works but does lack a feature).

> Scottie

the
> devil is apparently
> > too cold to do it himself), which would give you a better driving
> > experience; a fully operational Yugo (whatever that may be :-), or a
> > Ferrari that has no engine?

> > Randy

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