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I didn't buy F1 2k2 for the F1 cars. I didn't buy N2, N3, N99, Nascar
2003 for the Winston Cuppers, I didn't buy F1c for the F1 cars. I didn't
buy Nascar Heat for the Winston Cuppers. Oh wait...N99 had fantasy cars as
well, forgot about that.
You might say ISI is saving us a layer of deceit. I don't have to curry
the favor of the F1 crowd, I don't have to be saddled with a mod that has
8 second pitstops hardcoded, I don't have pretend that all cars have pre-
heated tires.
I also can benefit from the lack of licensing in that, money that would
have gone to fatcat corparations and organizing groups that suck the life's
*** out of sports can be spent on improving the basic code.
Will rFactor be the final word in sims? I doubt it. But it is far
enough evolved from previous titles so that we all will see a 'better'
simming enviroment. The fact that folks were calling for NEW F1 TITLES
even though we have had a constant stream of F1 titles for years merely
cements my lack of dismay at the lack of licensing. In fact, you can bet
there will be a host of F1 mods for rFactor.
My worry is that few track builders will rise to the challenge and
create completely fresh/new versions of tracks. 99% of the tracks are
gonna be merely ports of F1c and GTR tracks which came from F1 2k2 and most
of those started out as SCGT or GPL. I 'hope' the really smart, clever,
motivated track guys will begin with completely blank screens.
dave henrie
Amen Brother, I couldn't have said it better myself!
DN
> dave henrie
cheers
steve
> ok, ok, it's just an opinion. Jeez.
Seriously though, I tried rFactor and wasn't greatly impressed. Live for
Speed is better, as a simulation and as for having fun. Grip is the key, in
some respects.
Alanb
>> My worry is that few track builders will rise to the challenge and
>>create completely fresh/new versions of tracks. 99% of the tracks are
>>gonna be merely ports of F1c and GTR tracks which came from F1 2k2 and
>>most
>>of those started out as SCGT or GPL. I 'hope' the really smart, clever,
>>motivated track guys will begin with completely blank screens.
>>dave henrie
> I think you'll find a great number of the dedicated n2k3 track editors are
> moving over to rFactor.( we know the reason why, so no need to re-hash that
> subject again) Yes, to begin with there will be a lot of conversion of
> tracks. Probably not done by the original track editor. But given time,
> the original, good quality tracks will appear.
> cheers
> steve
I think it will be months and moreso...years,before rFactor has enough
"scratch built" tracks to utilize the engine.I too think mostly what
you'll see will be ports from other games such as
F1C,GTR,SCGT,GPL,NSR,Nascar Thunder...etc.
And if you are an oval fan like I am...you might as well stick to what
you have...be it Nascar Heat,Nascar Racing 2003..or
even...(gasp)...Nascar Sim Racing.
Why?...Because it'll be a long,long time before you see good
quality,scratch made tracks to utilize the engine for the oval
fans...and that my friends...can't be "hyped up".
I have asked this question before, not directly to you, but how come
hollywood movie, that depicts your product (placement) the movie-maker gets
money, yet when AC-Delco gets their add on billboards and car paintjobs,
they expect money? I mean shit you talk about free advertising to the
target group (wich has to be as good a demographic, just smaller than say
the real life counterpart...)
No,I dont get it.
I cant agree much more with your post if I had written it myself, but least
this way it is coherent (you wrote it).
Dave Henrie enlightened us with:
>> Fantasy cars on fantasy tracks...I can't wait...not!
> I didn't buy F1 2k2 for the F1 cars. I didn't buy N2, N3, N99,
> Nascar 2003 for the Winston Cuppers, I didn't buy F1c for the F1
> cars. I didn't buy Nascar Heat for the Winston Cuppers. Oh
> wait...N99 had fantasy cars as well, forgot about that.
> You might say ISI is saving us a layer of deceit. I don't have to
> curry the favor of the F1 crowd, I don't have to be saddled with a
> mod that has 8 second pitstops hardcoded, I don't have pretend that
> all cars have pre- heated tires.
> I also can benefit from the lack of licensing in that, money that
> would have gone to fatcat corparations and organizing groups that
> suck the life's *** out of sports can be spent on improving the
> basic code. Will rFactor be the final word in sims? I doubt it.
> But it is far
> enough evolved from previous titles so that we all will see a 'better'
> simming enviroment. The fact that folks were calling for NEW F1
> TITLES even though we have had a constant stream of F1 titles for
> years merely cements my lack of dismay at the lack of licensing. In
> fact, you can bet there will be a host of F1 mods for rFactor.
> My worry is that few track builders will rise to the challenge and
> create completely fresh/new versions of tracks. 99% of the tracks are
> gonna be merely ports of F1c and GTR tracks which came from F1 2k2
> and most of those started out as SCGT or GPL. I 'hope' the really
> smart, clever, motivated track guys will begin with completely blank
> screens.
> dave henrie
> No,I dont get it.
But the sheer number of licensing needed for a series is astronomical. Just
open any manual, check out the list at the end. Drivers, tracks, sponsors,
teams, etc... One of them will be greedy. Like those ***ing stupid cunts
that own the Pocono track.
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>>> My worry is that few track builders will rise to the challenge and
>>>create completely fresh/new versions of tracks. 99% of the tracks are
>>>gonna be merely ports of F1c and GTR tracks which came from F1 2k2 and
>>>most
>>>of those started out as SCGT or GPL. I 'hope' the really smart, clever,
>>>motivated track guys will begin with completely blank screens.
>>>dave henrie
>> I think you'll find a great number of the dedicated n2k3 track editors are
>> moving over to rFactor.( we know the reason why, so no need to re-hash that
>> subject again) Yes, to begin with there will be a lot of conversion of
>> tracks. Probably not done by the original track editor. But given time,
>> the original, good quality tracks will appear.
>> cheers
>> steve
>Umm...hate to be the bearer of bad news...but those oh so talented track
>makers of NR2003 have this neat tool called Sandbox that they used to
>create their tracks with..and it is much,much,much easier than having to
>use the "tool" you'll need to make tracks with in rFactor...which is
>3dsmax.It can take months and months to model a single track with all
>the goodies in 3dsmax...while you can do a NR2003 track in Sandbox in a
>few days (or a month or two..depending on your time).
>I think it will be months and moreso...years,before rFactor has enough
>"scratch built" tracks to utilize the engine.I too think mostly what
>you'll see will be ports from other games such as
>F1C,GTR,SCGT,GPL,NSR,Nascar Thunder...etc.
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
There are two things to think about here:
1. The rFactor track creation process is a LOT more flexible
and powerful than Sandbox (or so I'm told)-hence track
makers will be able to do things undreampt of in NR2003.
In addition we likely won't get a lot of ***tracks for rFactor-
but then again I haven't seen many ***tracks for NR2003.
Tracks I don't personally like (an endless parade of half-mile
ovals), but for the most part they range from adequate to
professional quality (see Sylvain Glapa's work, like Le Mans or
Paris). The latter is pretty amazing considering what he was
working with.
That's good...
2. Yes, the rFactor track creation process is a LOT harder
than Sandbox (requires a lot more technical know-how).
That's not so good.
Hence you aren't going to see the large number of scratch
tracks that we saw for NR2003, just because someone
who could deal with Sandbox and create something from
workable to wonderful will have to take 2-3 times as long
to do something equivalent for rFactor-and that assumes
they have the tech knowledge to use all those 3D tools.
I hope the "conversions" end up being "convert and
improve", at least in the textures department.
While I don't think ANYONE wants a flood of mediocre
work, we don't want a relative trickle of new tracks coming
out either. Most track makers in the NR community
understood their responsibility to release a track only if
it reached certain standards of quality.
Now if someone more in the know wants to correct
me, feel free.
