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GP2 dream video card

Jean-Francois De Rudde

GP2 dream video card

by Jean-Francois De Rudde » Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Hi everybody

I have a 133 with a Diamond stealth 64 2Mb VRAM. Altough the Stealth is
lightning fast in windows, I get a very low 177 in GP2 log. I have read
in different post that the Millenium and ET6000 are fast. Can anybody
advise me.... It looks like the Millenium might be difficult to find in
South-Africa, so maybe the ET6000. Is it decent running Windows too.
What is the meaning of the 177 in the log? If I get a 400 with another
card, by how much will the frame rate increase?

Thanks a million

JFD

John Wallac

GP2 dream video card

by John Wallac » Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:00:00



ET6000 is a type of chipset, not a card. It is used in Hercules Dynamite
128, Lightspeed 128 and some others. The Hercules Dynamite 128 is
noticably faster than the Matrox Millenium in DOS, and slightly slower
in Windows. Check out Sim Racing News hardware sections (address below
in my sig) for more info.

Hope it helps,

Cheers!
John

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Martin Granber

GP2 dream video card

by Martin Granber » Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Matrox Millenium is one of the (if not _the_) fastest cards running in
windows. Be sure to buy the non-OEM version though!

/Martin

Jean-Francois De Rudde

GP2 dream video card

by Jean-Francois De Rudde » Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Buy OEM, do you mean the cheap one that doesn't come with a proper
package and software(s)? What is wrong with it? Any information about
the ET6000

Thanks
JFD

Gary Bro

GP2 dream video card

by Gary Bro » Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:00:00

On Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:44:57 +0200, Jean-Francois De Rudder


>Hi everybody

>I have a 133 with a Diamond stealth 64 2Mb VRAM. Altough the Stealth is
>lightning fast in windows, I get a very low 177 in GP2 log. I have read
>in different post that the Millenium and ET6000 are fast. Can anybody
>advise me.... It looks like the Millenium might be difficult to find in
>South-Africa, so maybe the ET6000. Is it decent running Windows too.
>What is the meaning of the 177 in the log? If I get a 400 with another
>card, by how much will the frame rate increase?

Hi,
I have a 133 with a Matrox 4mb and it gives a slightly unbelievable
video score of 487, maybe having a triton 430HX chipset helps as these
are the faster than the more common 437VX sets.

I'd be interested to hear any 133 owners with ET6000 cards video
scores as this is what I am aiming for next. Also if you know of a UK
dealer stocking these cards I'd like their number...

The Matrox IS for sale in the UK incidentally, e-mail me if you want
more info or check out uk.adverts.computer.

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Richard Walk

GP2 dream video card

by Richard Walk » Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:00:00

On Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:39:22 +0200, Jean-Francois De Rudder


>> Matrox Millenium is one of the (if not _the_) fastest cards running in
>> windows. Be sure to buy the non-OEM version though!

>> /Martin

>Buy OEM, do you mean the cheap one that doesn't come with a proper
>package and software(s)? What is wrong with it? Any information about
>the ET6000

For DOS games like GP2, there is no difference in performance between
the OEM & retail versions (if you have proof to say otherwise, please
post it & I'll shut up <g>).

AFAIK, the only differences are:
1. You don't get the extra software
2. The RAMDAC has a lower maximum speed. This _only_ affects
resolutions above 1024 * 768 (or maybe higher)
3. You can't add extra memory _and_ an MPEG (or other) daugtherboard

Point 1 is immaterial to GP2 (unless they come up with an optimised
version as with Nascar)

Point 2 is only going to apply to Windows, etc. with large (17 inch
plus) monitors. GP2 runs at 640 * 480 max.

Point 3 also doesn't affect GP2 since it comes with a minimum of 2MB
of WRAM (way, way more than required for GP2) and extra video memory
won't speed things up.

The Millenium is no better than most DOS cards for VGA. It is,
however, one of the best for SVGA (but also check out the new Hercules
cards) and for Windows.

Richard

Imre Olajos, J

GP2 dream video card

by Imre Olajos, J » Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:00:00


>On Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:44:57 +0200, Jean-Francois De Rudder

>>Hi everybody

>>I have a 133 with a Diamond stealth 64 2Mb VRAM. Altough the Stealth is
>>lightning fast in windows, I get a very low 177 in GP2 log. I have read
>>in different post that the Millenium and ET6000 are fast. Can anybody
>>advise me.... It looks like the Millenium might be difficult to find in
>>South-Africa, so maybe the ET6000. Is it decent running Windows too.
>>What is the meaning of the 177 in the log? If I get a 400 with another
>>card, by how much will the frame rate increase?

>Hi,
>I have a 133 with a Matrox 4mb and it gives a slightly unbelievable
>video score of 487, maybe having a triton 430HX chipset helps as these
>are the faster than the more common 437VX sets.

Here are my results (Gateway-2000 P133-XL with OEM Matrox Millenium w/ 4MB
WRAM, 32 MB EDO RAM) after booting to pure DOS 7.0 (out of Win95):

Processor (x86): 5
Dos Version: 00000007h
Running windows 95 or above
Speed (c.f. DX2-66): 257
Searching for Vesa Card
Found Vesa Version:00000200h
Vesa Mode is available

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Kevin Lee Carls

GP2 dream video card

by Kevin Lee Carls » Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:00:00



I think that GP2 will be the same or close to the same doesn't matter what
video card you have.  You will see more performance if you have pipeburst
cache, good/fast chipset (Like the Triton II, or the Intel 430HX), and
processor (with decent floating point).  You might see abit of performance
with the Univbe drivers.  But, don't count on it.

Another thing, does anyone know if GP2 likes memory?  Would you see better
performance from upgrading to 24 Megs from 16?

KLC.

David Schi

GP2 dream video card

by David Schi » Thu, 01 Aug 1996 04:00:00



>> It looks like the Millenium might be difficult to find in
>>South-Africa, so maybe the ET6000. Is it decent running Windows too.

>Matrox Millenium is one of the (if not _the_) fastest cards running in
>windows. Be sure to buy the non-OEM version though!

>/Martin

I was planning on getting the Hercules Dynamite 128 for my new PPro
system but when their tech support told me that they will not be
supporting 1152x852x16 mode in windows, I decided to go with the
Millenium since my monitor (Sony 17se) deserves higher resolutions in
windows.  Depends on where you spend most of your time.  The DOS and
Windows speed of the Dynamite 128 are excellant though.


JEB

GP2 dream video card

by JEB » Thu, 01 Aug 1996 04:00:00


> I was planning on getting the Hercules Dynamite 128 for my new PPro
> system but when their tech support told me that they will not be
> supporting 1152x852x16 mode in windows, I decided to go with the
> Millenium since my monitor (Sony 17se) deserves higher resolutions in
> windows.  Depends on where you spend most of your time.  The DOS and
> Windows speed of the Dynamite 128 are excellant though.



I have a Pro and a Mellenium and suspect that you are
gonna be real pleased with the resolutions and colors.
Very nice indeed.

JEB in Vegas

Jeff Haa

GP2 dream video card

by Jeff Haa » Thu, 01 Aug 1996 04:00:00


> Hi,
> I have a 133 with a Matrox 4mb and it gives a slightly unbelievable
> video score of 487, maybe having a triton 430HX chipset helps as these
> are the faster than the more common 437VX sets.

> I'd be interested to hear any 133 owners with ET6000 cards video
> scores as this is what I am aiming for next. Also if you know of a UK
> dealer stocking these cards I'd like their number...

I get a 460 reading from a Hercules 128 running with a Cyrix P166 on a
supermicro P54cms mb.
Jame

GP2 dream video card

by Jame » Fri, 02 Aug 1996 04:00:00

I have read a lot about the Hercules Dynamite128 card, but here in
Australia I have not seen one.
Anyway what I was wondering was, how much does this card cost ?

James Barnes

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The Australian Sport Page
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jaymz/aussport.html

patrick bateman,j

GP2 dream video card

by patrick bateman,j » Fri, 02 Aug 1996 04:00:00

I think that GP2 will be the same or close to the same doesn't matter what
video card you have.  You will see more performance if you have pipeburst
cache, good/fast chipset (Like the Triton II, or the Intel 430HX), and
processor (with decent floating point).  You might see abit of performance
with the Univbe drivers.  But, don't count on it.

Another thing, does anyone know if GP2 likes memory?  Would you see better
performance from upgrading to 24 Megs from 16?

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Floating point unit is immaterial when it comes to gp2.
Completely.
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John Wallac

GP2 dream video card

by John Wallac » Sat, 03 Aug 1996 04:00:00



I've said it once and I'll say it again - sorry Majin but this really is
nonsense. If you try running ANY high end game such as ICR2 or any of
the flight sims, you will see a BIG difference in performance.

As for the ATI card, as you said - you haven't seen it. That makes the
advice a bit suspect I would say. The ATI card _IS_ a good PCI
card......in Windows. Try using it in DOS and it's a dog. The difference
between graphics cards is relatively small compared to CPUs, a CPU will
ALWAYS make more difference in power than a graphics card. A good
graphics card can however make a difference of 5-10fps, which is a lot.

Cheers!
John

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Scott Cadday

GP2 dream video card

by Scott Cadday » Sat, 03 Aug 1996 04:00:00


> I have read a lot about the Hercules Dynamite128 card, but here in
> Australia I have not seen one.
> Anyway what I was wondering was, how much does this card cost ?

> James Barnes

> Check Out
> The Australian Sport Page
> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jaymz/aussport.html

I bought one for $379 here in Melbourne (but I have seen them for as much
as $500). It gave me 1 fps less performance (yes less!!) than my S3 Trio
64 1mb card.

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