rec.autos.simulators

by **Mark Seer** » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Hmm. Maybe he found a way of running on the banking <G>

MS

> In case you hadn't notice, there are at least two left-handers at Monza.
Or
> do you take a shortcut of some sort?
> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------

> > >... finding the Monza of 1967 boring as hell?

> > I agree !! I will NEVER join a Monza race. Who likes turning right
> only??
> > Spa (the old Spa) is bad also. Its a shame those are the 2 most popular
> > tracks on VROC. IMO The Ring is by far the best, with Rouen and Mosport
> > also ranking well.

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by **Tim Vanhe** » Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Isn't it ironic? With a name like that I guess you rather like to turn left
only?

> >... finding the Monza of 1967 boring as hell?

> I agree !! I will NEVER join a Monza race. Who likes turning right
only??
> Spa (the old Spa) is bad also. Its a shame those are the 2 most popular
> tracks on VROC. IMO The Ring is by far the best, with Rouen and Mosport
> also ranking well.

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Well, I did say *MY* tastes, Andre! :-)

I just get bored by the circuit, is all.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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by **MichaelJ** » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

says...

I think we've all been there! I'm finding it very hard to improve beyond
the 8:15 mark at the Ring, every time I've done 3/4 of the lap well, I
get too tentative in the last section because I don't want to throw it
all away!

Maximum respect to those who've broken the 8 minute barrier.

- Michael

by **Andre Warrin** » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Well, if the chicane and that last hard corner (brake while turning)
corner wouldn't be there, I'd fully agree with you, the rest of the
track is also too slow for me.
Or maybe I'm just driving too slow at Monaco :)

Andre

On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:44:02 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell"

>Well, I did say *MY* tastes, Andre! :-)

>I just get bored by the circuit, is all.

>--
>Regards,
>Bruce Kennewell,
>Canberra, Australia.
>---------------------------

>> Monaco one of the least exciting? I don't really like Monaco for
>> online racing, too much accidents, but you surely can't say that
>> Monaco is not exciting?

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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Well....our tastes aren't too dissimilar! :-)
I think that the reason I rate the N-ring ahead of Rouen is for the simple
reason that one little error means either kaput or ***, only another 12
laps to go in which to recover from THAT mistake!!

It's only since "driving" the N-ring that I have come to fully appreciate
the astounding, totally amazing job that Fangio did in 1957. Literally
awesome
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> I would say:
> 1. Monza
> 2. Silverstone
> 3. Spa
> 4. Mexico
> 5. Watkins Glen
> 6. Kyalami
> 7. Mosport
> 8. Monaco
> 9. ?sterreichring
> 10. Brands Hatch
> 11. Nrburgring
> 12. Zandvoort
> 13. Rouen

> I moved Nrburgring a bit up the list. It is just too long. Awesome. Lot's
of
> excellent turns, succession of turns, it's got everything in there. If you
are fast
> at Nrburgring, you'll be fast anywhere. But it is very difficult to work
on driving
> technique there because of the non-repetitive nature of the track. Rouen
is my
> favourite track, and it is really only the track that works very well with
all car
> classes. Different dimensions with different Formulas. Thank god they used
this
> track instead of the Bugatti track from -67!

> Monaco is one of my favourites, it is a track that suits my technique, and
I have
> always been doing well there. In online races too, if you race with the
right
> people. :-)

> GP length at Monaco??? I am in! :-)))

> And I'd probably want a GP length at the ring as well!

> I want online races with realistic damage!!!

> ---Asgeir---

> > No, Asgeir, you're NOT alone! I agree.
> > In order of E***ment Level (least exciting is #1) my tastes are:-
> > 1. Monza
> > 2. Silverstone
> > 3. Monaco
> > 4. Kyalami
> > 5. Watkins Glen
> > 6. Spa
> > 7. Brands Hatch
> > 8. Mexico City
> > 9. Mosport
> > 10. Osterreichring
> > 11. Zandvoort
> > 12. Rouen
> > 13. Nurburgring

> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.
> > ---------------------------

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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Amazing just what lengths some people will go to! :-)

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> Hmm. Maybe he found a way of running on the banking <G>

> MS

> > In case you hadn't notice, there are at least two left-handers at Monza.
> Or
> > do you take a shortcut of some sort?
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.
> > ---------------------------

> > > >... finding the Monza of 1967 boring as hell?

> > > I agree !! I will NEVER join a Monza race. Who likes turning right
> > only??
> > > Spa (the old Spa) is bad also. Its a shame those are the 2 most
popular
> > > tracks on VROC. IMO The Ring is by far the best, with Rouen and
Mosport
> > > also ranking well.

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by **Michael Youn** » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Indeed! The major difficulty, I think, is that it's very difficult to run
10/10's for the full 8 minutes. 8 minutes is almost 6 very hot laps around
Monza, more than 7 full laps around the Glen, 2 laps around Spa, and 4 laps
around Rouen. You might think of the 8 minutes as equal to running at record
pace once around each of those other circuits, consecutively, without
stopping for setup changes or to rest. :-) Another way to look at it, your
8:15 equates to "only" about 2 seconds slower per lap at the Glen; not bad
for a compromise setup.

Michael.

by **BendsMaste** » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00

On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:54:59 -0800, "Aubrey"

You're right Monza is a boring track for hot lapping. I am one of the
maniacs who still do it in order to try and brake the famous 1.26.00
barrier. But my times have improved so much lately that I don't feel
like giving up after so many hours training, so many laps to arrive to
a setup I am comfortable with and etc. I never do more than 20 laps in
one instance, and I always do a few laps at the Ring before going to
Monza. That way it is like a rest to my arms and the track seems so
easy to drive on, then 20 laps go very quickly.
As for online racing, I've had my best races at Monza. It's a
fast uncomplicated circuit that most people are able to master to a
degree; having said that, most people are able to go the full length
of a race without having too many crashes, and be consistent, since
most of us started GPL at Monza (if you've read the manual that is...)
I've tried several online races at the Ring, Mosport, Zandvoort and
very rarely I did a lap without seeing someone off, crashes. Generally
people tend to try and go faster online since the sense of competition
is much more intense than offline, and sometimes I have to remind
myself it is only a virtual race, and there's no need to feel the
pressure. But the skills involved in taking a GPL car all the way to
the finish line requires a lot of concentration, hence the pressure.
I personally think Mona will still be the best "venue" for
online racing for a while, until most people get better and more
consistent on other tracks. In WinVROC the Monza races get full very
quickly, I get the impression that people see a Monza race on, and
they feel confident to join and a lot of them, irrelevant of what
times they're hitting, think they can win it.
As for me the only boring track in GPL is Monaco. I don't get
any sense of speed there, and I can't be bothered to drive slow in
GPL. I hate slow corners, or should I say I hate circuits full of slow
corners. I played Monaco in all the other sims out there and enjoyed
it thoroughly, but not in GPL. As for Mexico... Never been
there...Don't like at all...

Mauricio.

>You're not the only one. I don't like it much either. I remember when I
>was***starting out in GPL, I had some good battles there, but once you
>get down to the 28's everyone drives pretty much the same and the race turns
>into a parade. Almost like a modern F1 race. I dislike Kyalami for much
>the same reason. Monaco, Watkins Glen, and Mosport can also be parades, but
>at least it's easy to make a mistake on those tracks.

>-A

>>... finding the Monza of 1967 boring as hell?

>>I mean, it is flat, only three corners and very fast.

>>Monza is the closest we get to oval racing here in Europe...

>>How people can spend hundred of hours trying to brake that 1:26 barrier
>>or whatever, is beyond me. When there are so many tracks driveworthy in
>>GPL...

>>And the hosts use it all the time... Strange.

>>---Asgeir---

by **asgeir nes?e** » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Well, you obviously have to forgive my ignorance, but could you enlighten me with
what Fangio did in -57? I am not 82, you know... ;-)

And what about the job Stewart did in -68 (was it?) in the rain... The thought of
racing there in the rain gives me the goosebumps...

In many ways, the ring is THE track, but it is not for anyone who wants to spend
on-track time to hone their skills, simply because the track is so long. In a way it
is just as special as Monaco.

And when you race at the ring, you have a quite special feeling, not similar to any
of the other tracks... At least I have. The respect I have for this track is
awesome.

And I have managed to do 9:30 laps with F3 there... :-)))

---Asgeir---

> Well....our tastes aren't too dissimilar! :-)
> I think that the reason I rate the N-ring ahead of Rouen is for the simple
> reason that one little error means either kaput or ***, only another 12
> laps to go in which to recover from THAT mistake!!

> It's only since "driving" the N-ring that I have come to fully appreciate
> the astounding, totally amazing job that Fangio did in 1957. Literally
> awesome
> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------

by **MichaelJ** » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00

In article

Absolutely - it always feels like you're crawling round. Even if you
download the world record lap it still feels slow!

Like Monaco but with one fast bend. Never got on with it.

- Michael

by **MichaelJ** » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I think if I could combine all my best section times from different laps
I'd have a winner.

The other thing that bothers me is that my "out" lap which doesn't count,
is nearly always my smoothest, fastest run!

- Michael

by **Phil Le** » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Here's part of the Motorsport track test of the Ring:

The track's first post-war Grand Prix took place in 1951 and the theme of
the finest drivers on the toughest track continued, with Ascari, Farina and
then Fangio further proving the point; the latter winning three races
straight including his remarkable 1957 victory considered by many to be his
greatest ever.

The story, though well known, bears repeating, for on any other circuit than
this, the Argentinian would not have been able to pull off such a feat. In
qualifying Fangio signalled his intention by lapping a full 16 seconds
inside his own lap record set the year before. Come race day more was to
come. His Maserati 250F was fast on low fuel tanks but exceedingly thirsty
and Fangio knew he would have to stop for fuel, unlike his rivals at
Ferrari. Seizing the lead on lap three with a new record, he shattered his
best time again and again. Nearly 30 seconds in the lead, he dived for the
pits for fuel and rear tyres, rejoining to set off in pursuit of the
Ferraris - now half a minute ahead themselves.

Lap after lap, the Maserati closed, five whole seconds shaved from the
record on one tour; eight seconds more the next. When, with a lap and a half
to run, Fangio burst into the lead, it was the culmination of a drive that
left the racing fraternity speechless. He was by then 46 years old.

Cheers

Phil

--
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> Well, you obviously have to forgive my ignorance, but could you enlighten
me with
> what Fangio did in -57? I am not 82, you know... ;-)

> And what about the job Stewart did in -68 (was it?) in the rain... The
thought of
> racing there in the rain gives me the goosebumps...

> In many ways, the ring is THE track, but it is not for anyone who wants to
spend
> on-track time to hone their skills, simply because the track is so long.
In a way it
> is just as special as Monaco.

> And when you race at the ring, you have a quite special feeling, not
similar to any
> of the other tracks... At least I have. The respect I have for this track
is
> awesome.

> And I have managed to do 9:30 laps with F3 there... :-)))

> ---Asgeir---

> > Well....our tastes aren't too dissimilar! :-)
> > I think that the reason I rate the N-ring ahead of Rouen is for the
simple
> > reason that one little error means either kaput or ***, only another
12
> > laps to go in which to recover from THAT mistake!!

> > It's only since "driving" the N-ring that I have come to fully
appreciate
> > the astounding, totally amazing job that Fangio did in 1957. Literally
> > awesome
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.
> > ---------------------------

by **Benjam** » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00

>The other thing that bothers me is that my "out" lap which doesn't count,
>is nearly always my smoothest, fastest run!

hehehe - my out lap always takes like 15 minutes 'cause i don't wanna
damage the car before the timed lap and have to start over.....

by **Benjam** » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00

cool, I think that was the race that SpeedVision had on recently on
'Legends of Motorsport'.....?

it was a helluva win - very much earned...

On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:39:16 -0000, "Phil Lee"

>Here's part of the Motorsport track test of the Ring:

>The track's first post-war Grand Prix took place in 1951 and the theme of
>the finest drivers on the toughest track continued, with Ascari, Farina and
>then Fangio further proving the point; the latter winning three races
>straight including his remarkable 1957 victory considered by many to be his
>greatest ever.

>The story, though well known, bears repeating, for on any other circuit than
>this, the Argentinian would not have been able to pull off such a feat. In
>qualifying Fangio signalled his intention by lapping a full 16 seconds
>inside his own lap record set the year before. Come race day more was to
>come. His Maserati 250F was fast on low fuel tanks but exceedingly thirsty
>and Fangio knew he would have to stop for fuel, unlike his rivals at
>Ferrari. Seizing the lead on lap three with a new record, he shattered his
>best time again and again. Nearly 30 seconds in the lead, he dived for the
>pits for fuel and rear tyres, rejoining to set off in pursuit of the
>Ferraris - now half a minute ahead themselves.

>Lap after lap, the Maserati closed, five whole seconds shaved from the
>record on one tour; eight seconds more the next. When, with a lap and a half
>to run, Fangio burst into the lead, it was the culmination of a drive that
>left the racing fraternity speechless. He was by then 46 years old.

>Cheers

>Phil

>--
>http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> Well, you obviously have to forgive my ignorance, but could you enlighten
>me with
>> what Fangio did in -57? I am not 82, you know... ;-)

>> And what about the job Stewart did in -68 (was it?) in the rain... The
>thought of
>> racing there in the rain gives me the goosebumps...

>> In many ways, the ring is THE track, but it is not for anyone who wants to
>spend
>> on-track time to hone their skills, simply because the track is so long.
>In a way it
>> is just as special as Monaco.

>> And when you race at the ring, you have a quite special feeling, not
>similar to any
>> of the other tracks... At least I have. The respect I have for this track
>is
>> awesome.

>> And I have managed to do 9:30 laps with F3 there... :-)))

>> ---Asgeir---

>> > Well....our tastes aren't too dissimilar! :-)
>> > I think that the reason I rate the N-ring ahead of Rouen is for the
>simple
>> > reason that one little error means either kaput or ***, only another
>12
>> > laps to go in which to recover from THAT mistake!!

>> > It's only since "driving" the N-ring that I have come to fully
>appreciate
>> > the astounding, totally amazing job that Fangio did in 1957. Literally
>> > awesome
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> > Bruce Kennewell,
>> > Canberra, Australia.
>> > ---------------------------

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