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The best Daytona 500 yet!

Michael E. Carve

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by Michael E. Carve » Fri, 21 Feb 1997 04:00:00


Damn it, I wasn't going to continue this discussion in this newsgroup,
but...

: Ok, my 2 cents worth:

: about 2 laps before Earnhardt's crash (2-5 laps, OK?) the announcer
: reported that DE was complaining that his car was loose.
<snip>
: As I watched the replays, I did notice J.Gordon never touched
: Earnhardt's car  (he did get damn close, tho!), so I'll speculate the
: following:

:       (1). DE made the mistake of complaining of being loose.
:       (2). "someone" from the #24 crew  overheard the complaint and
: informed Gordon's spotter.
:       (3). Gordon's spotter informed JG that, and JG took advantage
: of the situation by 'taking the air off the 3 car spoiler' which put
: DE into the wall in the first place.

All week long it was known to everybody and anybody that Dale's car got
loose whenever a car was under him or directly behind him.  This was how
his car was set up.  I think he even mentioned it during the twin 125's.

:       (4). the 88 car, saw the 3 car getting loose, so 'helped' the
: spin by giving a little nudge.  What DJ didn't expect, is that he'd
: get involved as much as he did. (He may be a good driver, he isn't
: that good!)  Yes, I feel DJ could have avoided touching DE...ever hear
: of "brakes" -- I didn't say to lock them up, he could have slowed and
: allowed DE to correct his fishtailing.

No WAY.  Jarrett was too close & too boxed in to do anything but what he
did, let off the gas.  This caused Ernie to push him into Ironhead.
Same goes for Ernie.

:       (5). The 28 car may have been able to avoid losing his hood
: the same way.  I don't think I would have lifted in his case, either
: tho...

By then it was too late, the only way Ernie could have avoided touching
Earnhardt was to have Scotty "beam his car up" immediately!

: Which only goes to re-affirm my belief that DE is a true sportsman
: after listening to his post-race interview as to why he got back into
: his car to finish the race.

Everything everybody and anybody has been saying about this is pure
speculation (mine included).  However, it's usually been heavily clouded
by each posters' "favorite" driver (or hated driver).

It was just one of those racing deals!  It was just too frightening to
see, for me.  We came close to having some severe injuries or even a
death out of this one.  Thanks to NASCAR, they build some mighty safe
cars out there.  I wonder if Earnhardt sat more upright, like most
drivers, if he would have been injuried.

Gordon did what he felt he had to do, I am pretty sure that he knew he
would loosen up Earnhardt's car.  But, I really doubt that he knew his
own car would drift up as much as it did.  I am sure he had no desire to
see Earnhardt wreck.  Just as I am sure that Earnhardt has never wanted
to "wreck" anybody that he has pulled the same stunt on many times in
the past.  (I'm serious here, this isn't a tongue-in-cheek statement.)

This is NASCAR racing we are talking about, not some Sunday afternoon
quilting party.

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Kerry Gran

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by Kerry Gran » Fri, 21 Feb 1997 04:00:00

I agree with you. Dale Earnhardt is my favorite driver, but it was just
racing. I don't think Gordon did anything intentional to wreck Ironhead.

I read an article in Stock Car Racing magaizine about the positioning of
the seat in stock cars from Jeff Burton. He is fanatical about the
positioning of his seat and his belts because he broke his back in a
Late Model because his belts were mounted above his shoulders. He stated
that the lower you were in the seat the better off you were.

Also, Earnhardt's car was sent to Hopkins and he said the frame wasn't
bent. Only one bar has to be fixed and they are going to use the car
again.WOW!!!

Kerry Grant

Mark Gil

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by Mark Gil » Fri, 21 Feb 1997 04:00:00




>If ITV have more than two advert breaks during a F1 race this season I
>will be writing to the advertisers and complaining.

Hi Richard,

Apparently ITV are to have five two minute breaks during each Grand
Prix, though they say they'll show any action that was missed straight
after the break, with the appropriate commentary.  They also said they
would try take breaks at times that didn't interfere with routine
pitstops etc., so the director will have the choice of when to take a
break, rather than them being at set times.  We'll see next month...

 Mark 'Damon' Gill      "Only rock can save us now!"

 http://gillcomp.demon.co.uk/damon.htm           O==-O\

Dave Dav

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by Dave Dav » Sun, 23 Feb 1997 04:00:00


>Ok, my 2 cents worth:
>about 2 laps before Earnhardt's crash (2-5 laps, OK?) the announcer
>reported that DE was complaining that his car was loose.
>as there were about 10 laps to go (about?), this denotes the point
>where most drivers "make their move" to try to get past everybody else
>to get a win (especially Daytona, where reporters said all day "It's
>tough to pass here")
>As I watched the replays, I did notice J.Gordon never touched
>Earnhardt's car  (he did get damn close, tho!), so I'll speculate the
>following:
>    (1). DE made the mistake of complaining of being loose.
>    (2). "someone" from the #24 crew  overheard the complaint and
>informed Gordon's spotter.
>    (3). Gordon's spotter informed JG that, and JG took advantage
>of the situation by 'taking the air off the 3 car spoiler' which put
>DE into the wall in the first place.
>    (4). the 88 car, saw the 3 car getting loose, so 'helped' the
>spin by giving a little nudge.  What DJ didn't expect, is that he'd
>get involved as much as he did. (He may be a good driver, he isn't
>that good!)  Yes, I feel DJ could have avoided touching DE...ever hear
>of "brakes" -- I didn't say to lock them up, he could have slowed and
>allowed DE to correct his fishtailing.

DJ was being pushed by the 28 car when he hit DE.....

This is Daytona...if you lift you are watching the pack leave you.

DJ and EE were in wrong place at the wrong time.  JG is know for
driving up under people and getting them loose.  DJ is not...  

As for DE...he had better not touch the 43 car this weekend.

We all know about the chrome horn on the 3 car.....

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Richard Walk

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by Richard Walk » Sun, 23 Feb 1997 04:00:00

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 01:18:19 +0000, Mark Gill


>Apparently ITV are to have five two minute breaks during each Grand
>Prix,

Bummer :(( Looks like some advertisers are going to get letters then...

So what about the action that is missed because they are showing the
action we've just missed ;-)

F1 races may be pretty boring these days, but the whole point about
seeing something live is because you don't know what is going to happen.
Any delayed action and the whole effect is ruined IMHO. If I want to
watch videos, I'll video the race and fast forward through the boring
bits myself.

Why else do we get up at such ungodly hours to watch the Australian &
Japanese races live rather than the re-runs?

Cheers,
Richard

Georg

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by Georg » Mon, 24 Feb 1997 04:00:00


> On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 01:13:01 -0800, MIRANDA GREENHILL

> Let's see........ Earnhardt comes off the wall, where Jeffy pushed
> him, straightened out the car, got hit by Jarrett who was hit by
> Irvan.  Yup, definately Earnhardt's fault.

> Dave Starr

Let's see........ If Jeff gets close and takes the air off Dale and
DON'T touch him it's called pushing him, If Dale does it, It's called
racing? I watched the same race and I seen good hard racing though out
the whole race. And that is racing not pushing. Jarrett and Irvan didn't
have a chance to react to the problem ahead.

George
G_Hagon on Hawaii

John Mela

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by John Mela » Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:00:00



sorry to drag this on, but I just noticed the reply...

<snip>

I hate to inform you . DE is far from my favorite driver, and JG isn't
in my top 20 list either, but I do acknowledge talent and
sportsmanship.
Sorry, I disagree here...his rookie year ended a few years ago.  he
should know (by now, especially after the talladega race where he and
RC got together and Craven took out the fence and Schraeder did
cartwheels along the back stretch)
sure. ok.  you're entitled to your opinion.  

which is why I feel the way I do.   it would be one thing if these
'accidents' were caused by rookies making rookie mistakes, but Winston
Cup Champions?  Sorry, I don't think so.

--John Melair

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John Mela

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by John Mela » Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:00:00




>DJ was being pushed by the 28 car when he hit DE.....

this is possibly true, I won't deny it, because I haven't seen many
replays from another perspective.
You care to tell me that if you were doing some low-altitude flying at
about 200 MPH and a car in front of you starts to spin out, you
wouldn't lift?  You'd take a chance on wrecking your car at Daytona?
where aerodynamics take a significant play in your top speed?  You
can't win from the back of the pack (well, almost...RC did a good job
finishing 3rd -- but not from the back that late in the race) nor can
you win with significant damage to the car.  DJ lost out in either
case.

EE is too, remember?

I can't imagine why people think i'm a DE fan! I'm not! I just like to
recognize talent (hey, deny it.  7 championships are not won by luck)
 ;)

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ymenar

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by ymenar » Thu, 27 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Probably because you've only choose 6 drivers to see in front of you in
the option menu :)     !!!!!

Hey imagine in N2 if we had some commercials when there's yellow flags!!
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