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The best Daytona 500 yet!

Richard Walk

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by Richard Walk » Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:00:00


> Too bad CBS still doesn't have their act together.

Apologies for getting off topic here but this was the first time I've
gotten to see the 500 live (I live in the UK).

Whilst it was a great race it was, IMHO, totally ruined by the constant
breaks for adverts (or "commercials" if you prefer <g>). Toward the end
it was plain ludicrous with more breaks than racing.

Why don't all you US fans start writing to the companies that advertise
during these breaks and tell them that you don't appreciate this sort of
coverage and that you won't buy their products if they continue to buy
advertising time whilst CBS or whoever show too many adverts. Enough
people write to them and they will take note and so will CBS as they
won't be able to sell the advertising time!

Adverts during yellows are fine and the occasional one if there is a very
long green period maybe, but 5 minutes of adverts every 10 minutes is a
farce :((

If ITV have more than two advert breaks during a F1 race this season I
will be writing to the advertisers and complaining.

Cheers,

Richard

ccorpor

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by ccorpor » Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:00:00


> OK, here's more...

>   Earnhardt held his line as "Jeffy" went under him.  Dale was where he
> WAS, not "where he shouldn't have been".  Dale ain't gonna back off for
> nobody; EVERYBODY knows that...:) As they came off the corner, both cars
> pushed up, and Dale tagged the wall.  When he came off the wall, he
> tagged "Jeffrey", hit the wall agin, and then back down in front of
> Ernie.  Ernie, having no place to go, was hit from behind by "the other
> Dale", Jarrett then sent Ernie into Earnhardt.  Irvan's car sent the 3
> spinning wildly, and the way that the air got under Earnhardt just sent
> him up and over Ernie.  Too bad "Jeffy" didn't get caught up in it like
> Irvan and Jarrett.

I guess that's what you get when you don't keep assured braking distance. :)
Richard Walk

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by Richard Walk » Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:00:00


Indeed. I saw one shot where he was having to lean over to the right
because the left side of the roof was too caved in for him to sit
upright!

Cheers,
Richard

David Gar

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by David Gar » Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:00:00


> The way it looked on my TV, Gordon was passing Dale, not the other way
> around. Since when are you are supposed to slow down and let someone pass
> you?

Since your heading for the wall! Gordon was running his "own" line that
gave Earnhart
a little pinch. Still he gave earnhart enough room and Earnhart simply
refused to let of the throttle
or give up the position and payed for it by hitting the wall. After
bouncing off the wall he bumped
Gordon and Gordon said it was all he could do to keep outa Earnhart's
way.

Earnhart was well aware of Gordon's position and knew he was clearly on
the inside and pinching.
Again, he shoulda checked up and since he didnt he put himself outa the
race by tagging the wall.

You sound like your an anaylist on "where" the best line is to run a
Nascar on a superspeedway!
"where it shoulda been"?! Gimme a break. Gordon was racing a "clean"
line and was pinching the outside
car(Earnhart) like any good driver does to insure the pass. Earnhart
evidently did NOT want to
lose the position and gambled his line. The gamble didnt fly and he
brushed the wall and almost
took Gordon out! If Gordon hadnt controlled his car properly after the
tap, he'd have been takin out.
If you look closely at what really happened, you'll see that Gordon did
not cause the accident.
After Earnhart brushed the wall he had to check up to maintain control
and Jarret didnt check up in time and got up under the 3 car and flipped
ole' "Iron Head". Look at it a little closer, its called "replay"!

-David Gary-

TOlson946

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by TOlson946 » Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:00:00

It would have been the best if there had been more passing, no cautions,
and either Terry or Earnhardt would have won it.

David Spark

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by David Spark » Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:00:00


>Whilst it was a great race it was, IMHO, totally ruined by the constant
>breaks for adverts (or "commercials" if you prefer <g>). Toward the end
>it was plain ludicrous with more breaks than racing.

This seems to be standard network programming practice these days. If you
watch the typical 2-hour TV movie, they have no commercial breaks for the
first half-hour. After that they start coming closer to together, until at
the end, they are about 5 minutes apart. I guess they figure you're much
less likely to flip away during a commercial break towards the end of the
show, when the killer is about to revealed (or whatever substitutes for a
plot these days).

Thank goodness for cable television. I'd be willing to pay good money to
see a race broadcast without interruptions.

Dave Sparks
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David Sta

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by David Sta » Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:00:00

On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 01:13:01 -0800, MIRANDA GREENHILL



>> Watched the race on television and listened to live RealAudio in-car
>> radio transmissions through TheAutoChannel on my computer - Great race!

>yes if earnhart would learn how to stay off the wall it would have
>been great race he could have watched jarrett win it....

Let's see........ Earnhardt comes off the wall, where Jeffy pushed
him, straightened out the car, got hit by Jarrett who was hit by
Irvan.  Yup, definately Earnhardt's fault.

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Cowen Wilso

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by Cowen Wilso » Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Dale was not supposed to let him by.  I you were out on the track fighting
for a win and you only had a few laps to go you wouldn't let him by!!  You
would race him hard.  If this would have happened a little earlier in the
race I might agree with your statement.
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> > Never touched him befor Dale hit the wall.

> ditto.

>    Gordon had the line therefore Earnheart  is supposed to let him by. Well
> being his aggresive self, Earnheart was where he shoulden't have been.
Then
> again, from Earnhearts perspective he MIGHT not have seen gordon having
the
> line so he stood his ground. They both ran out of room and earnhardt was
on
> the outside. Earnheart tapped the wall, NO PROBLEM. Then Jarret freaked
out
> and swerved fliping over earnheart.

>    Watching people from both sides of the argument (Being a Ricky Rudd fan.
> :) ) Earnheart fans think gordon is a young punk (not true) and gordon
fans
> think Earnheart is a old stinker not willing to give up the glory. (no
> coment :) )  So now that someone that dosn't take sides says JARRET
caused
> the accident. :) Just kidding.

> IT'S JUST RACING

> --
> --Kai Fuller
>   Senior Writer of IOR (previously INR)

>   GO Thunderbirds!!!!!!! (WHL)

Mart

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by Mart » Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Hell not only that, did you see how Earnhart was driving that car when it
came down just to keep from hitting anything else, it was obvious he was
still in control.  I was pulling big time for Elliot and man did you see
his new woman? WOW.

Great Race!



Richard Walk

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by Richard Walk » Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:00:00


That's more or less what I understood, but why on earth do you all put up
with it? Write to the advertisers, let them know how much you detest the
practice. If enough do it, they will listen & so will the networks.

It's bad enough in the UK with breaks every 20 minutes or so :((

Cheers,
Richard

ccorpor

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by ccorpor » Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:00:00


>    They would flash to a shot of Earnhardt and Ken would say, "Here comes
> Earnhardt" as three cars would pass him.  He goofed many times in
> getting names with cars.  He tried to tell technical facts he had no
> clue about.  Ken needs to step down and let the masters--Ned Jarrett,
> Benny Parsons, Eli Gold and the others take over.  I wish I had set it
> up in advance to listen to MRN and turn the volume down on the TV.

This scenario hapened so many times it actually made me wonder if it was time
delayed by a few seconds. It was amazing how many times he was wrong with
positions. It's hard to believe one could be wrong so many times over the same
type of situations.

Q.B.M.

Eric Adam

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by Eric Adam » Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Were you watching last years race?I seen passing all over the place.



Eric Adam

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by Eric Adam » Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Yes CBS was sorry last year. ESPN has the best coverage.




> >This seems to be standard network programming practice these days. If
you
> >watch the typical 2-hour TV movie, they have no commercial breaks for
the
> >first half-hour. After that they start coming closer to together, until
at
> >the end, they are about 5 minutes apart. I guess they figure you're much
> >less likely to flip away during a commercial break towards the end of
the
> >show, when the killer is about to revealed (or whatever substitutes for
a
> >plot these days).

> That's more or less what I understood, but why on earth do you all put up
> with it? Write to the advertisers, let them know how much you detest the
> practice. If enough do it, they will listen & so will the networks.

> It's bad enough in the UK with breaks every 20 minutes or so :((

> Cheers,
> Richard

John Mela

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by John Mela » Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Ok, my 2 cents worth:

about 2 laps before Earnhardt's crash (2-5 laps, OK?) the announcer
reported that DE was complaining that his car was loose.

as there were about 10 laps to go (about?), this denotes the point
where most drivers "make their move" to try to get past everybody else
to get a win (especially Daytona, where reporters said all day "It's
tough to pass here")

As I watched the replays, I did notice J.Gordon never touched
Earnhardt's car  (he did get damn close, tho!), so I'll speculate the
following:

        (1). DE made the mistake of complaining of being loose.
        (2). "someone" from the #24 crew  overheard the complaint and
informed Gordon's spotter.
        (3). Gordon's spotter informed JG that, and JG took advantage
of the situation by 'taking the air off the 3 car spoiler' which put
DE into the wall in the first place.
        (4). the 88 car, saw the 3 car getting loose, so 'helped' the
spin by giving a little nudge.  What DJ didn't expect, is that he'd
get involved as much as he did. (He may be a good driver, he isn't
that good!)  Yes, I feel DJ could have avoided touching DE...ever hear
of "brakes" -- I didn't say to lock them up, he could have slowed and
allowed DE to correct his fishtailing.
        (5). The 28 car may have been able to avoid losing his hood
the same way.  I don't think I would have lifted in his case, either
tho...

Which only goes to re-affirm my belief that DE is a true sportsman
after listening to his post-race interview as to why he got back into
his car to finish the race.

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dalan

The best Daytona 500 yet!

by dalan » Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:00:00


> Ned jarrett is cool but he's talks about
> Dale Jarrett to much.  i know its his son but there are 42 other drivers
> out there as well...One thing that is great though is the pit
> reporters.  Jerry Punch John Kernan do a hell of a job......

I humbly disagree Brian, I think Ned does the balancing act pretty
well.  
He does have more knowledge of what's going on, on Dales team ,
so he passes it on... I also think Ned does a great job of
talking about drivers other than the top 5 during a race.
Unlike Ken Squire..
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