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by **Kieran Larki** » Sat, 08 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On the 28th of July I will be first in line outside my local shop to be able
to buy GP3. Don't get me wrong I would love this game to be great, to be a
real experience that I could aspire to taking seconds off my time, even to
rival GPL. however I don't think it will! in fact I think it could possibly
be a big disappointment. When something gets this hyped up I think I is
inevitable that it wont live up to expectation. I think gp3 could be similar
to C & C Tiberan Sun. it will be better than GP2 I have no doubt but I think
a lot of people may ask, "well he spent along time tweaking a game, and
didn't really add any new big features e.g. internet play, car shapes". I
think it will be a good/average game but it will fail as it is so hyped. I
don't know what the hype was about Gpl before its release as I am a bit of a
newbie, however I doubt it was as much as GP3 has got. Some one may be able
to correct me on that. The thing about gpl is it is SO good in parts people
don't notice the not so good parts. I will defiantly blindly giving Geoff my
30, and am hoping against hope it will be good. I am defiantly not slating
it off now! However I fear our expectations may be let down...
oh well just wait for GP4 and if that's bad WSC is bound to be a good game!

--
Kieran
www.pcracing.co.uk for GP3 and WSC

by **Simon Brow** » Sat, 08 Jul 2000 04:00:00

The amount a game gets hyped doesn't effect it's quality. It may help
dissapoint people who have unrealistic expectations.
Personally, I expect great things from GP3 because i've played every game
Geoff Crammond has written since Revs and I think they've all been superb.
Crammond is almost unique in that he's someone well known from the C64 era
who is still writing top games today. In "The Sentinel" on the C64 Crammond
wrote surely one of the top games of all time, and a totally unique concept
too.
Also everything i've seen so far from GP3 has been extremely high quality,
in particular some of the movies and the wet weather screenshots.

by **idav** » Sat, 08 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Oh fer pete's sake.

C'mon show a little optimism here.!!!

What this group needs to do is radiate POSITIVE vibes.

Altogether now..

HmmmmmmmmmmmGP3 is going to be greatmmmmmmmmGP3 is going to be
greatmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Ian.

ps: Er.....just in case...too cover my back you understand....if it ain't
great......blame that bloke in Canada who types funny.

Ok.?

by **Simon Brow** » Sat, 08 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Eh? I thought I was being positive! :)

by **Douglas Elliso** » Sat, 08 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Well - extract from someone at E3-2000!! (calling himself F1filter - from
simracingnews.com)

"Biggest Disappointment - Grand Prix 3. Everyone I asked about the GP3 demo
said the same thing. "GP2.5" Also, their sit-down demo was off-line on the
last day of the show. Due to controller problems. I was also unable to
conduct an interview with Nick Court, who was visibly upset with the
problems happening on Saturday. By the time it was all over. Two of the 5
demo units were off-line. Perhaps the only thing that was a bigger
disappointment, was the absence of Geoff Crammond at the show. "

So there

by **Coli** » Sat, 08 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Wow, I didn't know Crammond wrote Sentinel!
That really was a cool game for it's time.
He really gets around...
...Colin

by **Simon Brow** » Sat, 08 Jul 2000 04:00:00

You've lost me there. :) Is this an example of someone not being positive
enough for your tastes, or a genuine reason to think GP3 has been
over-hyped?

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I think the first game he wrote was 'Aviator' - a flight sim on the BBC
micro. Then came 'Revs' and the truly wondeful 'Stunt Car Racer'!
Incidentally 'The Sentinel Returns' on the PC a year or so ago was a
brilliant updating of the original.
Iain

> Wow, I didn't know Crammond wrote Sentinel!
> That really was a cool game for it's time.
> He really gets around...
> ...Colin

> > The amount a game gets hyped doesn't effect it's quality. It may help
> > dissapoint people who have unrealistic expectations.
> > Personally, I expect great things from GP3 because i've played every
game
> > Geoff Crammond has written since Revs and I think they've all been
superb.
> > Crammond is almost unique in that he's someone well known from the C64
era
> > who is still writing top games today. In "The Sentinel" on the C64
> Crammond
> > wrote surely one of the top games of all time, and a totally unique
> concept
> > too.
> > Also everything i've seen so far from GP3 has been extremely high
quality,
> > in particular some of the movies and the wet weather screenshots.

by **idav** » Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Hey...not you Simon.!!!!

I was talking about the geezer on the top floor of this thread.

idav.

by **Simon Brow** » Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:00:00

understood :)

by **Kieran Larki** » Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Look I want this game to be good. I want it to be fantastic but it isn't
going to be I don't thing?
PLEASE BE GOOD!!!!!!

--
Kieran
www.pcracing.co.uk for GP3 and WSC

> Oh fer pete's sake.

> C'mon show a little optimism here.!!!

> What this group needs to do is radiate POSITIVE vibes.

> Altogether now..

> HmmmmmmmmmmmGP3 is going to be greatmmmmmmmmGP3 is going to be
> greatmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

> Ian.

> ps: Er.....just in case...too cover my back you understand....if it ain't
> great......blame that bloke in Canada who types funny.

> Ok.?

> > The amount a game gets hyped doesn't effect it's quality. It may help
> > dissapoint people who have unrealistic expectations.
> > Personally, I expect great things from GP3 because i've played every
game
> > Geoff Crammond has written since Revs and I think they've all been
superb.
> > Crammond is almost unique in that he's someone well known from the C64
era
> > who is still writing top games today. In "The Sentinel" on the C64
> Crammond
> > wrote surely one of the top games of all time, and a totally unique
> concept
> > too.
> > Also everything i've seen so far from GP3 has been extremely high
quality,
> > in particular some of the movies and the wet weather screenshots.

by **Kieran Larki** » Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:00:00

This is the Geezer at the top of this thread GP3 will be good!

--
Kieran
www.pcracing.co.uk for GP3 and WSC

by **Simon Brow** » Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:00:00

GP3 will be *great* in my opinion, but as anyone who's put >1000 hours into
GPL knows, GPL is so far beyond great that a word hasn't been invented to
describe it yet.

I think this is what you were trying to say in your original post, and I
agree. :) There is genuine doubt in my mind, despite what I said about
Geoff Crammond, that he will get anywhere near GPL standards.

Actually, even a "perfect" 100% realistic F1 sim, wouldn't be as good as GPL
since modern F1 cars are so dull compared to '67 F1 cars. Nothing can
compare to that sensation of driving GPL cars, battling to put the power
down, correcting the slides, trying to brake without spinning, anticipating
the change of weight on the suspension. Theres nothing quite like it...

by **Stephen Ferguso** » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

But for some, GPL is a bit stale. Yes, it's a wonderful simulation, but
call me an attention-deficit-disorder kid (and I'm 32) but even I eventually
got tired of 1967 GP cars and looked for new thrills. I found them with
NFS:Porsche, which has a good enough driving model, is quite immersive, and
lots of fun. I come back to GPL still, but I'm looking forward to the kicks
of a modern F1, even if the program isn't the be all and end all of
automotive simulation. Crammond makes kick-ass racing simulations,
accessible even to stooges like me who have never gone under 9:00 at the
Ring.

Stephen

by **Larr** » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Under 9:00 at the Ring?

Well, I'm under 9:00 at SPA :)

-Larry

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