rec.autos.simulators

by **BLAD** » Sat, 29 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Ok i read all the comments from my previous post

Yes i have a wheel and no how to set it up, you guys who ask if i no how
to setup
a sim for driving ive been simming since half you guys were still in
diapers,
And yes GP2 was good, played that sim for thousands of hours(you played
gp2 for 24 1/2 hours) lol
As for the hyperstim steering thats a piece of shit did you ever see
inside the controller it looks like a boat steering setup with a bunch of
springs not even close to feeling real, (the peddels not to bad tho)Im not
here to *** about that, Im here to *** about GP3, This sim isnt like GPL
wich drives and simulates a race car with no wings very good, But come on F1
cars have huge wings and are very aerodynamic they just dont spin out like
on gp3 you cant even counter steer and pull out of it, the graphics are wavy
and the game is full of bugs, The link in a network is better than before
but dont pit while some one is out on the track the game cant figure out
what is going on and you haft to update the link,This and all the other
problems(to long to list)means crammond didnt do his home work he rushed out
to make some quick cash off of us, face it were all disapointed with the
work that was done we expected so much more from the sim king and he gave us
CRAP!
now shell out you money becuse you think gp2 was good and crammond is the
best,
at best gp3 is CRAP, I"ll wipe my ass with the 50 bucks and flush it down
the toilet
before i give it to crammond for his lame and despreat attempt at GP3, I
mean come on do you think were gunna pay for all the head achs these lamers
could"nt figure out
I would rather wait another 4 years for him to get it right, even tho i
think he was despreat for cash and did the sim in 4 months not 4 years,
Conculsion is f1200 not the greastest f1sim but the best we got for now,
Links good over the internet links good networked, feels pretty good on the
track,graphics are
not to bad either,

P,S

Please donate to the crippled crammond despreate sim fund

by **Harri Vaini** » Sat, 29 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Have you tried F12000 again after installing GP3?

I was really surprised how bad F12000 actually was in simulating F1 car. GP3
is light years ahead of this crap.

Although I too was very disapointed in GP3, especially graphics...

-harri

by **N..** » Sat, 29 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:47:41 +0300, "Harri Vainio"

I did compare the two back to back a number of times and my conclusion
was not the same as yours. I don't know why that is, but it could be
because I have a number of hacks added to F1 2000 that improve it
quite a bit. Sound,***pit position, tire wear, driver abilities,
wheel sensitivities etc. The cars feel better to me in F1 2000, but
that could be because I have controller issues with GP3. Will have to
compare again after I get these issues resolved.
--
Nos

by **jbo..** » Sat, 29 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Amazing how opinions can differ -- I spent last night turning laps at
Suzuka in GP3 and F12K, and I have to say that I am even more impressed
with F12K now. I really like GP3, so I'm not posting to slam
Crammond's latest effort, but I was immediately faster in GP3 than in
F12K, which told me that the level of difficulty -- AND, presumably,
the level of simulation detail -- was much higher in F12K. The feel of
the F12K physics model really amazed me while doing the comparison,
too -- it didn't feel at all like a descendent of SCGT (which is pretty
darn good in its own right), but it DID feel a lot like something Papy
might have produced. In fact, if F12K had been released with Papy's
name on the box and the existing ISI code on the CD, nobody would be
playing GPL anymore, I don't think.

GP3 is a great sim, and I think Crammond's latest effort is going to
spark a wave of realism-oriented driving sims as other publishers try
to emulate his success (which hopefully means fewer "Test Drive" games
in the future, and more NFSPU/Viper Racing/SCGT/F12K/GPL/GP3 types).
GP3 is VERY accessible, has some very convincing physics, and it's a
blast, but I think my nod for accuracy goes to F12K -- and I think
there's room for BOTH on my hard drive, thankfully!

;-)

-- JB

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by **Mrv** » Sat, 29 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Emulate Crammond's success with GP3? You must be joking. I hope that
other do not follow Crammond's work. Please gives us a real sim, not
something so incomplete as Gp2.5!!!!

> Amazing how opinions can differ -- I spent last night turning laps at
> Suzuka in GP3 and F12K, and I have to say that I am even more impressed
> with F12K now. I really like GP3, so I'm not posting to slam
> Crammond's latest effort, but I was immediately faster in GP3 than in
> F12K, which told me that the level of difficulty -- AND, presumably,
> the level of simulation detail -- was much higher in F12K. The feel of
> the F12K physics model really amazed me while doing the comparison,
> too -- it didn't feel at all like a descendent of SCGT (which is pretty
> darn good in its own right), but it DID feel a lot like something Papy
> might have produced. In fact, if F12K had been released with Papy's
> name on the box and the existing ISI code on the CD, nobody would be
> playing GPL anymore, I don't think.

> GP3 is a great sim, and I think Crammond's latest effort is going to
> spark a wave of realism-oriented driving sims as other publishers try
> to emulate his success (which hopefully means fewer "Test Drive" games
> in the future, and more NFSPU/Viper Racing/SCGT/F12K/GPL/GP3 types).
> GP3 is VERY accessible, has some very convincing physics, and it's a
> blast, but I think my nod for accuracy goes to F12K -- and I think
> there's room for BOTH on my hard drive, thankfully!

> ;-)

> -- JB

> > Have you tried F12000 again after installing GP3?

> > I was really surprised how bad F12000 actually was in simulating F1
> car. GP3
> > is light years ahead of this crap.

> > Although I too was very disapointed in GP3, especially graphics...

> > -harri

> > > Conculsion is f1200 not the greastest f1sim but the best we got
> for now,
> > > Links good over the internet links good networked, feels pretty
> good on
> > the
> > > track,graphics are
> > > not to bad either,

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by **jbo..** » Sat, 29 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Okay, bonehead, I'm typing real slow, so try to keep up:

GP3 is a sim, or it's considered a sim by most. It's definitely more
of a sim than virtually anything out there besides GPL, Viper Racing,
N3, SCGT, F12000, and maybe NFSPU. It's FAR better than a whole slew of
would-be sims (Johnny Herbert, Andretti Racing, etc.), and it's being
MARKETED as a *** SIM, not some "Test Drive" arcade racer.

If GP3 sells big (which is already has, based on pre-orders alone),
then it will be viewed as a big success, and others will want to follow
suit with their own *** SIM products. That will undoubtedly
produce a ton of sim-wannabes like "Johnny Herbert" and such, but there
will also be more room for some TRUE sims to occur, too. Sierra/Havas
has most likely pigeonholed Papy, resigning them to only produce NASCAR
titles after the lack of sales success that GPL brought them, but if
people catch wind of Hasbro's profits from GP3, they just might start
turning their developers on, URGING them to produce *** driving
sims. If that happens, then we may se something surpass GPL in the
very near future.

The issue here isn't how good or bad GP3 is, but, rather, the effect it
will have on the future of our genre.

Do you see what I mean, now, or do I have to type even more slowly?

Besides, GP3 is pretty darn good in its own right -- if it's not
a "sim," then I'd like to know how N3 qualifies, because I've NEVER
seen cars catch air, get airborne, or roll in N3, and it's pretty much
regarded as being near the top of the sim-heap around these parts.

Did I say "bonehead" already, by the way?

-- JB

> Emulate Crammond's success with GP3? You must be joking. I hope that
> other do not follow Crammond's work. Please gives us a real sim, not
> something so incomplete as Gp2.5!!!!

> > Amazing how opinions can differ -- I spent last night turning laps
at
> > Suzuka in GP3 and F12K, and I have to say that I am even more
impressed
> > with F12K now. I really like GP3, so I'm not posting to slam
> > Crammond's latest effort, but I was immediately faster in GP3 than
in
> > F12K, which told me that the level of difficulty -- AND, presumably,
> > the level of simulation detail -- was much higher in F12K. The feel
of
> > the F12K physics model really amazed me while doing the comparison,
> > too -- it didn't feel at all like a descendent of SCGT (which is
pretty
> > darn good in its own right), but it DID feel a lot like something
Papy
> > might have produced. In fact, if F12K had been released with Papy's
> > name on the box and the existing ISI code on the CD, nobody would be
> > playing GPL anymore, I don't think.

> > GP3 is a great sim, and I think Crammond's latest effort is going to
> > spark a wave of realism-oriented driving sims as other publishers
try
> > to emulate his success (which hopefully means fewer "Test Drive"
games
> > in the future, and more NFSPU/Viper Racing/SCGT/F12K/GPL/GP3 types).
> > GP3 is VERY accessible, has some very convincing physics, and it's a
> > blast, but I think my nod for accuracy goes to F12K -- and I think
> > there's room for BOTH on my hard drive, thankfully!

> > ;-)

> > -- JB

> > > Have you tried F12000 again after installing GP3?

> > > I was really surprised how bad F12000 actually was in simulating
F1
> > car. GP3
> > > is light years ahead of this crap.

> > > Although I too was very disapointed in GP3, especially graphics...

> > > -harri

> > > > Conculsion is f1200 not the greastest f1sim but the best we
got
> > for now,
> > > > Links good over the internet links good networked, feels pretty
> > good on
> > > the
> > > > track,graphics are
> > > > not to bad either,

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by **A. Grun** » Sat, 29 Jul 2000 04:00:00

A Sim???? ROTFL

by **jbo..** » Sun, 30 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I'm sorry, I already used the word "bonehead."

By the way, how would you describe a "sim," anyway? I believe that
a "simulation" is something that simulates a real-life activity. By
that basic definition, even Test Drive 6 and Swamp Buggy Racing qualify
as "sims." That is, of course, a huge stretch, but GP3 is definitely a
sim by any definition of the word -- it may fall short in terms of
absolute accuracy in some areas, but it definitely serves as a pretty
darn good basic simulation.

-- JB

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by **Mrv** » Sun, 30 Jul 2000 04:00:00

A sim? Heheeeeeeeeeeeeeee obviously you are much to young to understand
the deficiencies of GP3. Carry on MR BONEHEAD.

> I'm sorry, I already used the word "bonehead."

> By the way, how would you describe a "sim," anyway? I believe that
> a "simulation" is something that simulates a real-life activity. By
> that basic definition, even Test Drive 6 and Swamp Buggy Racing qualify
> as "sims." That is, of course, a huge stretch, but GP3 is definitely a
> sim by any definition of the word -- it may fall short in terms of
> absolute accuracy in some areas, but it definitely serves as a pretty
> darn good basic simulation.

> -- JB

> > > GP3 is a sim, or it's considered a sim by most.

> > A Sim???? ROTFL

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by **Glen Pries** » Sun, 30 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Hey Bodin! I hope you are not taking nastiness lessons from some of
the very able practioners who lurk around this NG. I hope someone who
disagrees with you, or is clumsy in expression and language use is not
therefore a "bonehead" As far as I am concerned, you could lose the
insult mode and still be worth reading; insulting invective I can do
without.

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by **jbo..** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Point taken, Glen -- call ME a bonehead, I guess, but it wears thin
pretty quickly when people just plain miss the point and resort to
slamming perfectly decent products simply because it doesn't exceed GPL
in terms of physics perfection. Yes, I know nobody in this thread has
actually compared GP3 to GPL, but the implication is there when they
try to deny that GP3 is a sim. I can understand people's
disappointment that it does not really improve all that much on what
was done in GP2, but there HAVE been a lot of improvements, and I'd say
that it's at least a complete overhaul of that game engine, rather than
a mild update -- AND I would also have to call it a "sim" by any
definition of the word.

Anyway, my point was that GP3 may have a huge impact on the overall
quality and quantity of racing sims that we may see in the future, and,
if so, then Crammond deserves tons of praise, regardless of what we may
think of GP3 overall.

So, that said, my apologies to all for my intolerant tone.

-- JB

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by **jbo..** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> A sim? Heheeeeeeeeeeeeeee obviously you are much to young to
understand
> the deficiencies of GP3. Carry on MR BONEHEAD.

> > I'm sorry, I already used the word "bonehead."

> > By the way, how would you describe a "sim," anyway? I believe that
> > a "simulation" is something that simulates a real-life activity. By
> > that basic definition, even Test Drive 6 and Swamp Buggy Racing
qualify
> > as "sims." That is, of course, a huge stretch, but GP3 is
definitely a
> > sim by any definition of the word -- it may fall short in terms of
> > absolute accuracy in some areas, but it definitely serves as a
pretty
> > darn good basic simulation.

> > -- JB

> > > > GP3 is a sim, or it's considered a sim by most.

> > > A Sim???? ROTFL

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by **jbo..** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Yup, you're right -- at 38 years old, and as an owner of World Circuit
GP, ICR, GP2, ICR2, Viper Racing, GPL, SCGT, F12K, Powerslide, DTR, N3,
NASCAR Legends, NFS, NFS2SE, NFS3, NFSHS, NFSPU, I am obviously too
young and too inexperienced to understand the deficiencies of GP3. Of
course, the fact that I also own TD6 and Swamp Buggy Racing (much to my
embarrassment) also puts me in a good position to recognize a truly
horrible title when I see one, and GP3 looks like it stacks up pretty
well in the big scheme of things to me -- definitely in the same league
as N3 and SCGT, at the very least. Just for the record, my work as a
beta tester for DTR and DTRSC also gives me some level of expertise
when it comes to evaluating games, too, and while I freely admit that
the physics modeling in GP3 is not quite in the same league as GPL, I
cannot see how anybody can fail to rank it as a sim, plain and simple --
this is NOT some simplistic, simple-minded arcade racer, and from what
I've seen so far, it seems to compare pretty well to its own immediate
competition, namely, F1WGP and F12K (although I do find that I
personally prefer the physics modeling in F12K over GP3 at this point).

Anyway, given all this, I will yield to your obviously-superior
evaluation. How could I even begin to argue with such incisive,
insightful commentary and analysis as "A sim?" and "something so
incomplete as Gp2.5" in the first place? I bow down before your wisdom
that obviously only comes with age, while at the same time resign
myself to forever be known as "Mr. Bonehead." Please accept my
apologies for ever assuming that GP3 could have a positive impact on
our genre as a whole.

-- JB

> A sim? Heheeeeeeeeeeeeeee obviously you are much to young to
understand
> the deficiencies of GP3. Carry on MR BONEHEAD.

> > I'm sorry, I already used the word "bonehead."

> > By the way, how would you describe a "sim," anyway? I believe that
> > a "simulation" is something that simulates a real-life activity. By
> > that basic definition, even Test Drive 6 and Swamp Buggy Racing
qualify
> > as "sims." That is, of course, a huge stretch, but GP3 is
definitely a
> > sim by any definition of the word -- it may fall short in terms of
> > absolute accuracy in some areas, but it definitely serves as a
pretty
> > darn good basic simulation.

> > -- JB

> > > > GP3 is a sim, or it's considered a sim by most.

> > > A Sim???? ROTFL

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

>By the way, how would you describe a "sim," anyway? I believe that
>a "simulation" is something that simulates a real-life activity. By
>that basic definition, even Test Drive 6 and Swamp Buggy Racing qualify
>as "sims."

Oh, Swamp Buggy Racing is a REAL game?!? I thought you were kidding in our
'argument' thread... :)

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by **jbo..** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> >By the way, how would you describe a "sim," anyway? I believe that
> >a "simulation" is something that simulates a real-life activity. By
> >that basic definition, even Test Drive 6 and Swamp Buggy Racing
qualify
> >as "sims."

> Oh, Swamp Buggy Racing is a REAL game?!? I thought you were kidding
in our
> 'argument' thread... :)

Oh, no -- it's real, unfortunately!

-- JB

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