rec.autos.simulators

OK, after about 20 attempts at getting in a run in N99 tonight, and beeing
screwed by the stupid behavior of the AI cars, I'm now officially sick of
the AI in the NASCAR series of sims.

I'm sick of the cars unnaturally speeding up and slowing down on pace laps,
I follow about 20 car lengths back, and still the AI manage to stop suddenly
enough to get me to hit them.

I'm sick of the AI cars crashing into me on pit road.

I'm sick of the AI cars swerving unnaturally in turns, and knocking me into
the wall.

I have tried different AI from various sites, and while some are better than
others, the same things seem to happen, which leads me to think that the
problem lies deeper than just the .lp files.

I have purchased full retail versions of N1, TrackPack, N2, BGN, N99, ICR1 &
2, GPL and WILL NOT buy another Papy sim unless the vast majority of RAS'ers
state that the AI is improved.  Yes, I'm pissed off and Im pissing here, but
the AI seems to be getting worse with each retail patch of the nascar line
from papy.

I'm now pointing my *** ***to New York, in papys general direction.
(the nudity part)

Now, back to racing.

GRB

In general, the AI was improved between N2 and N99; however, because
the double file restarts and Papy solving the AI cars bunching up by
giving them mega-brakes caused this problem they are apparently
unwilling or unable to solve.

We'll see if N2000 is better, hopefully it's not all eye candy and
smoke.

Chad Rogers

Tony

Tony

i've a question about AI in GPL ?

Do the AI in GPL are subjected to the physics model ?

I think not, i've seen several times AI pass me where it's impossible to not
crash into the wall.
i've pushed AI from the rear and recover there cars good on track of impossible
way.

I know well AI, i'v done those of V-Rally2. The difficulty it's to make AI that
are good enough
and use good trajectories.

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Sbastien Tixier - Game Developper

On the other hand, a lot depends on your own setup, and what you're
doing with the throttle and brake at certain points - I remember I
always had major problems coming over the bump at the end of the
Andretti straight at Mosport until I realised that I needed to release
the brake (just for a moment) when I went over it.  The AI cars just
seemed to cruise over it, but of course you can't tell whether they
momentarily release the brake or not.

It's certainly true that the AI can recover unreasonably quickly when
they've spun off.

On the whole they seem pretty realistic to me, except that they are far
more consistent than all but the very best human drivers.

  I find this a bit irksome sometimes - especially coming into
Parabolica at Monza - it's so common to be rammed from behind because
the AI can brake much later than it's possible for me.  Is this what
everyone else finds or am I just braking to early?

--
Richard G. Clegg     Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

Andre

%   I find this a bit irksome sometimes - especially coming into
% Parabolica at Monza - it's so common to be rammed from behind because
% the AI can brake much later than it's possible for me.  Is this what
% everyone else finds or am I just braking to early?

This is being addressed in the fabled 1.1 patch.

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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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