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N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

Joe Saxo

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by Joe Saxo » Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:08:07

Man am I impressed with the new driving model, these cars are actually
driveable on the road courses they feel like bad ass race cars instead of
station wagons now. What kind of times are you guys getting at Watkins Glen?
I have just broken (barely) 1:16:50 with the Jasper setup with the steering
modified to 16:1 just like the fast setup. There is more speed there, I just
have a few corners to work out, especially the 1st one! Anyone have any tips
for a quick in and out for turn 1?

Joe

Tony Kelle

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by Tony Kelle » Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:31:15

 I've been able to run consistant 1:15.0 -1:15.1 (very slightly modified
fast setup) T1  is tricky though, just gotta figure out a good braking point
that'll put you at just the right speed. Take advantage of the bigger
brakes. :) Use them to the max, but dont lock them.

TK

Tom Pabs

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by Tom Pabs » Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:11:26

Joe...

The "key" to T-1 at Watkins is to brake earlier than the normal distance
(from braking point to turn-in point) would normally call for (based on your
terminal speed down the straight).  Why?  Because its downhill.  That will
allow you to get the car turned in nicely and you should be back to almost
full-throttle even before the turn's apex.  That's good for an extra 2 mph
to 5 mph all the way down into T-2....and potentially up through the esses
on to the back straight.  All of which will combine to lower your lap time a
lot (maybe by a full second even).

Of course, that would be the hotlapping or qualification line......don't use
it in a race because it leaves the door open for two bad things to happen:
1)  You are too close to the left side of the track and when your car starts
to wander slightly under the braking load...its too easy to "drop a wheel"
and your race is over.  Or, 2)  It leaves the door open for someone behind
you to easily outbrake you into the turn.....on an inside line and block
your turn-in....even if they don't pass you coming out of T-1....they'll
likely have position on you into T-2......both cases mean you get passed
easily.  In a race......stay just left of the track's centerline...when
entering T-1....you'll have a lot more success that way.

And by the way, don't worry so much about how you match up......best lap to
best lap.....with others so much.  They don't give you trophies for fast
lap....only for being on the podium.  Do you even remember who had the
fastest lap at last year's Watkins (WC) race?  I don't.  But, I do remember
who won that race.....bet you do too!  See what I mean?

Regards,

Tom


Joachim Trens

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by Joachim Trens » Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:33:54

Did the guy have the fastest lap as well? ;-)

Achim


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Jason Moy

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by Jason Moy » Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:17:14

On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:08:07 -0500, "Joe Saxon"


>Man am I impressed with the new driving model, these cars are actually
>driveable on the road courses they feel like bad ass race cars instead of
>station wagons now. What kind of times are you guys getting at Watkins Glen?
>I have just broken (barely) 1:16:50 with the Jasper setup with the steering
>modified to 16:1 just like the fast setup. There is more speed there, I just
>have a few corners to work out, especially the 1st one! Anyone have any tips
>for a quick in and out for turn 1?

1:15.6 with the Jasper setup.  A bit sloppy tho, and my tires would be
gone within 3 laps driving like that.  Driving smoothly I'm about
where you are, which is still faster than I was in N4/N2002 so I can't
complain.

The additional downforce makes the game a great deal more enjoyable
and challenging for me so far.  The cars really push into the track
like you'd expect but go too far and you're backing into the fence.
Very nice.

Also the Jasper setups may suck for setting fast laptimes (I'm
generally faster in the Fast setups) but they are awesome for racing
against the AI.  I've had 10 lap battles with the AI at places like
Bristol where I was able to hold the outside line and still make the
car turn.  The Jasper setups seem to be a few tenths slower vs the
fast setups (I blame that mostly on right foot shrinkage) but I seem
to be able to put them anywhere on the track and get similar laptimes,
high/low/wherever.  At Bristol for instance I'm running a normal
15.8-15.9 with the fast setup driving a normal line but a 16.1 with
the Jasper setup either with a normal line or while staying a full car
width above the apron all the way around the track.

Jason

Jason Moy

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by Jason Moy » Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:22:10



You know I honestly can't remember.  All I remember is Jerry Nadeau
leading late during one of the RC races in the 44 before the engine
let go (think that was Sears Point tho).

Jason

Jason Moy

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by Jason Moy » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:11:33



Hm ok, loaded the fast setup and did a 1:14.8 on the second lap, which
included at least 2 ***corners.  I'm guessing there will be guys
doing 11's and 12's no problem there.

Jason

Tony Rickar

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by Tony Rickar » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:43:24


> Man am I impressed with the new driving model, these cars are actually
> driveable on the road courses they feel like bad ass race cars instead of
> station wagons now.

Still feel like an armoured plated 3 seater BRM with Mr & Mrs Obese on board for
me.

I really don't see this as the defacto road course sim to assign GPL & GTR2002
to the recycle bin. It does it right - simulates Nascars on a road course. I end
up feeling sorry for the drivers. On board they are working as hard (probably
harder) than any other race series on a road course. Outside it looks like a
convoy of limos late for the wedding...

All IMHO of course!

Cheers
Tony

Haqsa

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by Haqsa » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:10:10

The thing that always makes me feel kind of good about this is that when
Nascar brings in "ringers" like Boris Said to drive the road courses, they
typically don't do so well.  Given Boris's record in his own series one
certainly cannot accuse him of not knowing how to drive road courses.  So
when you drive the Glen in NR 2003 and it feels like crap, that's probably
because it does in real life, too.


Dave Henri

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by Dave Henri » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:17:47



   Ahh but if Boris would get a ride in a Gibbs or Hendrick or Rousch car,
then I think you'd see his worth.   I saw him race a near bone stock
mustang and he was alllllll over the track...one of the most dynamic track
assualts I have ever seen.  Quite fun watching.  
dave henrie

Jason Moy

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by Jason Moy » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:34:59



Is Boris actually running a longer schedule this year or did they just
include his car in N2003 because of the Jasper connection?

Jason

Dave Henri

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by Dave Henri » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:19:09


   As far as I know,  Trans Am is still his main focus.
dh

J.D. Elli

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by J.D. Elli » Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:38:26



>>Is Boris actually running a longer schedule this year or did they just
>>include his car in N2003 because of the Jasper connection?

I would guess he's there for filler.  Haven't read what his or Jasper's
plans are.

And/or Tom Milner's factory M3 effort in World Challenge GT.

-jde

b..

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by b.. » Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:47:29

        How so?  If you have to feather the throttle as you enter T-2
(to get on the throttle fully as soon as possible for the back
straight), how is exit speed from T-1 carried further?

        While I agree that you need to consider the downhill slope in
braking and that getting a good drive off T-1 is important, so is
carrying all the speed you can down the front straight.   It seems to
me that T-1 is a balanced turn - you need to have a good entrance and
a good exit, not sacrifice one for the other.  

Larr

N2003: new physics are great! Watkins Glen is a blast!

by Larr » Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:17:46

I typically find better balance on the grass in T1 :)

Larry



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