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by **Jason Moy** » Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:31:46

> While I agree that you need to consider the downhill slope in
>braking and that getting a good drive off T-1 is important, so is
>carrying all the speed you can down the front straight. It seems to
>me that T-1 is a balanced turn - you need to have a good entrance and
>a good exit, not sacrifice one for the other.

I'd go further and say entrance speed in T1 is more important than
exit speed. You can make up even the crappiest of exist in T1 by
simply staying on the gas a little deeper into 2.

The big keys IMHO to a fast lap at Watkins Glen are not lifting
through the esses and getting the power down early out of the last
turn. I find if I so much as feather the throttle slightly through
the esses I lose a full second or more.

Jason

by **Eldre** » Mon, 17 Feb 2003 05:57:55

Not lifting?!? For me, that would be a recipe for eating the wall...

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by **Joe Saxo** » Mon, 17 Feb 2003 06:22:50

Yeah, I've been wondering how this guy goes through the SS's without
lifting. I don't see that happening.

Joe

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> Moyer) writes:

> >The big keys IMHO to a fast lap at Watkins Glen are not lifting
> >through the esses and getting the power down early out of the last
> >turn. I find if I so much as feather the throttle slightly through
> >the esses I lose a full second or more.

> Not lifting?!? For me, that would be a recipe for eating the wall...

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by **Jason Moy** » Mon, 17 Feb 2003 06:54:46

Not lifting through the last left/right bit really is what I meant. I
feather through turn 2 right, trying to keep the car as far right as
possible, then once i'm straightened out and near the right curbing
it's full throttle and as straight of a line as possilbe through the
esses. Generally I exit turn 4 right at around 160mph in n2003.
Speed down the 3 longest straights at WG imho is the best way to turn
fast laps, and that means flat out through 3 and 4, on the gas early
out of the outer loop, and on the gas early using the full width of
the runoff area out of the last turn.

Jason

by **Eldre** » Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:55:40

Moyer) writes:

>>Not lifting?!? For me, that would be a recipe for eating the wall...

>Not lifting through the last left/right bit really is what I meant. I
>feather through turn 2 right, trying to keep the car as far right as
>possible, then once i'm straightened out and near the right curbing
>it's full throttle and as straight of a line as possilbe through the
>esses. Generally I exit turn 4 right at around 160mph in n2003.

If I remember correctly from N2k2, I normally exit T4 at about 140...

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by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:49:57

On new tyres... <g>

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:47:46

>"EldredP" wrote...
>> <snip>
>> If I remember correctly from N2k2, I normally exit T4 at about
>> 140...

>On new tyres... <g>

Your point being...? :-)

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by **Jason Moy** » Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:59:43

On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:22:50 -0500, "Joe Saxon"

>Yeah, I've been wondering how this guy goes through the SS's without
>lifting. I don't see that happening.

Here's an example of the benefits of going flat out through the esses:

http://firebrand11.stargate.net/N2003/

I completely blew every other corner on the track (nearly took out the
armco at turn 1 even) and still managed a 1:14.8. 70 degrees, no
wind, either the Jasper or fast setup (forget which).

Jason

by **Joe Saxo** » Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:48:42

I thought you meant all three corners that make up the S's, not just the
last two. I can go flat through there but I have other issues to deal with!
From what I can tell, if I can nail turn 1, I'll be doing well. I have
gotten down to the mid 1:15's now and I think I can nail turn 1 and the
right hander after the back straight and I'll be in the 1:14's. thanks for
the replay though!! I will study it to work on my turn 1.

Joe

> On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:22:50 -0500, "Joe Saxon"

> >Yeah, I've been wondering how this guy goes through the SS's without
> >lifting. I don't see that happening.

> Here's an example of the benefits of going flat out through the esses:

> http://firebrand11.stargate.net/N2003/

> I completely blew every other corner on the track (nearly took out the
> armco at turn 1 even) and still managed a 1:14.8. 70 degrees, no
> wind, either the Jasper or fast setup (forget which).

> Jason

by **Jason Moy** » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:23:04

On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:48:42 -0500, "Joe Saxon"

>I thought you meant all three corners that make up the S's, not just the
>last two. I can go flat through there but I have other issues to deal with!
>From what I can tell, if I can nail turn 1, I'll be doing well. I have
>gotten down to the mid 1:15's now and I think I can nail turn 1 and the
>right hander after the back straight and I'll be in the 1:14's. thanks for
>the replay though!! I will study it to work on my turn 1.

Heh, like I said, I don't think it's a good replay for learning the
turns other than 3/4. If you look at my exit from 1 I'm halfway into
the grass and about an inch from the armco (which incidentally I've
hit way too many times headon so far, I don't remember it being so
damn close to the track last year).

Jason

by **Eldre** » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 02:34:55

>I thought you meant all three corners that make up the S's, not just the
>last two. I can go flat through there but I have other issues to deal with!
>From what I can tell, if I can nail turn 1, I'll be doing well. I have
>gotten down to the mid 1:15's now and I think I can nail turn 1 and the
>right hander after the back straight and I'll be in the 1:14's. thanks for
>the replay though!! I will study it to work on my turn 1.

How do those times compare with N2002? I think I ran a 1:19(once) in that
program...

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by **Jan Verschuere** » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:11:51

My point being that, from my personal experience, 140mph is an optimistic
description of your exit speed from the Esses at Watkins Glen in N2k2.
Seeing as I usually apex the last turn of said series at about 145mph and
tripped over you on several occasions. <g>

Which, on the whole, is no slant on your ability as a simracer (sentence
added on account of recent humbling at Silverstone in GPL ;-)).

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:32:15

>"EldredP" wrote...
>> Your point being...? :-)

>My point being that, from my personal experience, 140mph is an optimistic
>description of your exit speed from the Esses at Watkins Glen in N2k2.
>Seeing as I usually apex the last turn of said series at about 145mph and
>tripped over you on several occasions. <g>

>Which, on the whole, is no slant on your ability as a simracer (sentence
>added on account of recent humbling at Silverstone in GPL ;-)).

Jan, we BOTH got humbled in that race. I was 3rd, and a lap down to 2nd... At
least you stayed within a lap of ME...
I couldn't even catch the draft when they went by me. Never saw another car
besides that, didn't pass anyone. That was one boring f'king race... That's
why I left so quick - nothing to talk about. :-(

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by **Jan Verschuere** » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:52:21

I did my level best to make it "interesting" for you, but I couldn't put a
dent in your lead. Made a couple of little mistakes/half spins later and
that's all she wrote. You really ran a very good race there Eldred. Pascal
Desjardins is an alien, so he doesn't count and Art had an inspired day.
He's usually no threat past 1/3rd distance.

Our problem is there's not enough guys in our speed brackett who can finish
a race like that. And of those few, not enough run in GPVL FL. ;-))

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 18 Feb 2003 23:55:44

Well, why not?!? We need some more slowpokes...<g> For me, more than you.
You're normally way ahead of me - you just had a bad race.

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