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N-4 should have been a multi play sim only

PG

N-4 should have been a multi play sim only

by PG » Sun, 11 Mar 2001 05:53:21

This sim, in my opinion is not  playable in single player mode.
If you want a close simulation of Nascar racing with N-4 single play isn't
it.
The AI stink's!!! Case closed! Atrocious!
Papyrus should have just fully concentrated on making a online only
sim.....It's obvious they don't care about single play.......
I don't care what you online die hard's say, most of the buyer's of this sim
will want to play it off line.....
Heaven help the newcomer who think's this is the way it should be........
It now goes to the shelf awaitting the "mother of all patches".....
Sick and tired of these incomplete game's I cough up $50.00 for......
more fool me, right?
Blues DeVill

N-4 should have been a multi play sim only

by Blues DeVill » Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:42:13



<snip> Sick and tired of these incomplete game's I cough up $50.00
for......<snip>

True.
It seems totally accepted today that you buy an unfinished product and have
to be thankful if they bring out a patch.
Sad, but true...

Blues

Dave Henri

N-4 should have been a multi play sim only

by Dave Henri » Sun, 11 Mar 2001 08:54:41

  The world still runs by the phrase:  Buyer Beware!
     There has been ample evidence, here and elsewhere, that solo play with
N4 needs fixing.  Yet you and tons of others rushed right out and bought it
before doing some research...
     Hopefully there will be a patch...but it doesn't mean we should be
thankful.
dave henrie

Dan Belch

N-4 should have been a multi play sim only

by Dan Belch » Sun, 11 Mar 2001 13:33:48

That wouldn't be too good for me.  Damn copy protection and my CD-ROM don't
seem to get along very well, so I have to use the NoCD hack and am relegated to
only Single Player racing.  I happen to like the AI as I never do long races.
Sure, they are stupid sometimes.  But think of it this way:  I wouldn't be able
to program the AI any better, so I won't complain too awfully much.  :)

-----------------------------------------
Dan Belcher
Team Racing Unlimited
http://simcrash.00game.com

Ben

N-4 should have been a multi play sim only

by Ben » Mon, 12 Mar 2001 05:04:51


>The AI stink's!!! Case closed! Atrocious!

..and some other junk.

Go into opponent manager, open each AI driver's "ratings",  and tone
down the "aggression" rating significantly, something like Min-15
Max-30.  You should find a much more realistic, raceable AI.

Am I the only person in the world who has done this?
THINK, people.

Ben

Daniel Drum

N-4 should have been a multi play sim only

by Daniel Drum » Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:16:07


No, I posted to do this and was soundly ignored.

People are used to being spoon-fed I guess.

Dave Henri

N-4 should have been a multi play sim only

by Dave Henri » Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:24:43

    Please sir...may I have some more???
there are a couple options that can be edited.  However I'm concerned if we
all get
a 100 different settings...how will we judge our times?  And could it
"possibly" affect
the multiplayr connection?  These are some questions that need to be
answered before
the world jumps on the bandwagon.
dave henrie

Mac

N-4 should have been a multi play sim only

by Mac » Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:32:14

I have to agree about the obvious release of a patch. I have been a
Papy customer since Indy 500 for the old dos system. The one feature I
am sure will be in the patch is the ability to save a race in
progress. I can't commit hours at at time for my entertainment.
Kids,phone and other distractions cause me to limit the time I have. I
cannot even think of a 40 or 50 percent race. Limits like these are
disappointing from Papy. I purchased N4 on the first release day.
Disappointment is an understatement. Several features I like and will
learn to race as well as I do on N3. The save race feature doesn't
seem to be a big issue. there are several games out there are that are
elaborate and can save in progress. It's too bad Papy worked so hard
on some stuff and dropped the ball on others. I would have been happy
to wait another month or two to get some of the bugs out. There
silence is deafening, and I am sure the patch is just around the
corner. It would be appropriate if they informed their "loyal"
customers....
buff..

N-4 should have been a multi play sim only

by buff.. » Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:43:45

    Dave,
                Our paths cross again! Been touting your Dale Sr. / Jean Pierre
theories here too?  Hehehe.
    As for N4, I am sure that Papy or someone associated with 'The Pits' will
create a 'Save Race' patch. Seems to me they did the same thing with N99 a few
years ago. Why it was not included here after the stink we put up when they
left it out last time is beyond me. That seems to me the most significant
weakness of N4. I agree that N4 has it's issues, but lets be real. This is one
serious piece of software. You just have to tweak it to your own individual
preferences and requirements and the ability to do so is all right there. All
these people saying it is junk and claim they are taking it back are either
impatient, intolerant of an interface they won't take the time to learn,
clueless about how to make the game do what they expect, or are just plain
dense.( Puts on 'flame' retardant nomex suit and waits for the above listed
individuals to post 'hot lap' comebacks ).
    I think the real problem here is many of the average 'Joe Gamers' ( who do
not read all the previews ) expected a further update of the old NASCAR series,
got a lot more than they bargained for and found it was more than they could
handle. Those of us who have been quietly enjoying the complexity and
difficulty of GPL for the last few years knew better when we heard what Papy
planned to do. In a way, it is a microcosm of what we were talking about in the
'Grand Prix' posts. "If it rumbles, it's from Dixie. If it whines it's from
Europe and never the twain shall meet."
    I think most die hard Papy racing sim fans are eating this sim up and can't
get enough. Typically, newsgroups are flooded with the negative comments about
a new sim. Why? Because most people are to busy enjoying it to take the time to
write about how much they like it, while those few who are unhappy need to vent
their frustrations. Loudly. How do I know this? Easy. This is N4. It was
preceded by N3, NASCAR Legends, N99, Grand Prix Legends, N2, NASCAR Racing,
IndyCar Racing, Indianapolis 500. All from Papyrus. If racing sim fans weren't
very satisfied with the run of  Papyrus products over the last 10 years, we
wouldn't have an N4 for those few who are unhappy with it to complain about.
Papy would have been bankrupt and gone years ago if customers weren't very
happy with the product. That's just basic business 101. Customers = Success =
Repeat Customers = Long Term Success.
    As for a patch, it will come and many of the negative comments will just be
forgotten. It always does and they always are. In the meantime, it's the ones
who just don't get it that are complaining.
    As for me, the car just needs a few more laps ands a few more adjustments
and a few more laps and the track is currently available..........

Rick W.


> > > Am I the only person in the world who has done this?
> > > THINK, people.
> > > Ben

> > No, I posted to do this and was soundly ignored.
> > People are used to being spoon-fed I guess.
>     Please sir...may I have some more???
> there are a couple options that can be edited.  However I'm concerned if we
> all get
> a 100 different settings...how will we judge our times?  And could it
> "possibly" affect
> the multiplayr connection?  These are some questions that need to be
> answered before
> the world jumps on the bandwagon.
> dave henrie


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