rec.autos.simulators

by **rrevve** » Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:00:00

O.K., having just received my Retail copy of NFS: Porsche
Unleashed from the friendly FedEx guy, I made a comparison to
the WAREZ version I have been playing with for a couple of days.
Looking in only the main folder of NFS:PU, here are some of the
discrepancies I found. Note the file sizes:

WAREZ : PORSCHE EXE 2,129,965 03-16-00 11:05p Porsche.exe
RETAIL: PORSCHE EXE 249,119 03-13-00 2:52p Porsche.exe

In the RETAIL and don't exist *at all* in WAREZ:

CLCD32 DLL 27,648 03-13-00 2:52p clcd32.dll
CLCD16 DLL 6,784 03-13-00 2:52p clcd16.dll
00000409 016 107,318 03-13-00 2:52p 00000409.016
00000409 256 215,478 03-13-00 2:52p 00000409.256
PORSCHE ICD 2,129,965 03-13-00 2:52p PORSCHE.ICD
CLOKSPL EXE 177,152 03-13-00 2:52p clokspl.exe

etc., etc.

There are over 1600 files in the other sub-folders.
I suspect they contain other differences.

When I run the retail version, here is what I noticed
*immediately*. S-M-O-O-T-H-E-R. Before, with the WAREZ,
when I maxed it ALL out at 1024x768 I would get a little
choppiness, at times, on my PIII-600/Voodoo3.

Not any more.

The interior engine sound is much more clear and stronger in
the Retail version. In the WAREZ version it was weak and I had
to***around with volume controls in the game to make it
stronger than everything else. Then, when I would go to a
replay, in the external view is was way too loud.

Not now... :)

I am VERY happy with this thing and if you like Porsches
(who doesn't), then rush to your nearest Electronics
Boutique and hand the clerk $29.95.

You too will be a happy camper. Trust me on this.

Bye-bye, warez version, you have now been sent to
the pirate graveyard.

--
* rrev at mindspring dot com *

by **Thomas Heinema** » Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I find the driving modle to be guite good, exept from one huge miss
and that spoils the game for me:

No throttle steer at all!

When flooring it in a slide, there is absolutly no wheelspin or power to the
wheels
whatsoever....huge miss.

The car understeers nicely, but the throttle thing just makes it horrible.
Also of course, the cars are small like radio controlled cars compared
to the scenery. Very anoying...

Thomas

by **Martin Guiber** » Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:00:00

FYI, The difference between the size of the EXE files comme from the
Safedisk protection (it also uses the clokspl.exe and clcxxx.dll files)

Porsche.ICD = Porsche.exe (safedisc reads the ICD file as an EXE)

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Hardware Designer Phone: (514) 341-2000 x3629
Visual System Engineering Addr: 8585 Cote de Liesse
Dept. 72 C.P. 1800 H4L 4X4
CAE Electronics Ltd. Quebec, Canada
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> O.K., having just received my Retail copy of NFS: Porsche
> Unleashed from the friendly FedEx guy, I made a comparison to
> the WAREZ version I have been playing with for a couple of days.
> Looking in only the main folder of NFS:PU, here are some of the
> discrepancies I found. Note the file sizes:

> WAREZ : PORSCHE EXE 2,129,965 03-16-00 11:05p Porsche.exe
> RETAIL: PORSCHE EXE 249,119 03-13-00 2:52p Porsche.exe

> In the RETAIL and don't exist *at all* in WAREZ:

> CLCD32 DLL 27,648 03-13-00 2:52p clcd32.dll
> CLCD16 DLL 6,784 03-13-00 2:52p clcd16.dll
> 00000409 016 107,318 03-13-00 2:52p 00000409.016
> 00000409 256 215,478 03-13-00 2:52p 00000409.256
> PORSCHE ICD 2,129,965 03-13-00 2:52p PORSCHE.ICD
> CLOKSPL EXE 177,152 03-13-00 2:52p clokspl.exe

> etc., etc.

> There are over 1600 files in the other sub-folders.
> I suspect they contain other differences.

> When I run the retail version, here is what I noticed
> *immediately*. S-M-O-O-T-H-E-R. Before, with the WAREZ,
> when I maxed it ALL out at 1024x768 I would get a little
> choppiness, at times, on my PIII-600/Voodoo3.

> Not any more.

> The interior engine sound is much more clear and stronger in
> the Retail version. In the WAREZ version it was weak and I had
> to***around with volume controls in the game to make it
> stronger than everything else. Then, when I would go to a
> replay, in the external view is was way too loud.

> Not now... :)

> I am VERY happy with this thing and if you like Porsches
> (who doesn't), then rush to your nearest Electronics
> Boutique and hand the clerk $29.95.

> You too will be a happy camper. Trust me on this.

> Bye-bye, warez version, you have now been sent to
> the pirate graveyard.

> --
> * rrev at mindspring dot com *

by **rrevve** » Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I guess you realize that on a rear-engined Porsche that adding
throttle when in a loose or oversteer condition, in general will
lessen the oversteer? Also, if you lift off the throttle, you will
spin. Both of those things are modelled in this game.

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

See above.

Porsches, at least the older ones, don't understeer very much.

;)

I haven't a clue as to what you're talking about. I have seen no
scale problems whatsoever in NFS:PU.

[shrug]

--
* rrev at mindspring dot com *

by **Andre Warring** » Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Thomas, maybe you're confusing Porsche 2000 with Revolt?

Andre

>>Also of course, the cars are small like radio controlled cars compared
>>to the scenery. Very anoying...

>I haven't a clue as to what you're talking about. I have seen no
>scale problems whatsoever in NFS:PU.

>[shrug]

>>Thomas

>>>I am VERY happy with this thing and if you like Porsches
>>>(who doesn't), then rush to your nearest Electronics
>>>Boutique and hand the clerk $29.95.

>>>You too will be a happy camper. Trust me on this.

by **Mrv** » Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Do bad it aint a Ferrari. I just hate Porsches

> O.K., having just received my Retail copy of NFS: Porsche
> Unleashed from the friendly FedEx guy, I made a comparison to
> the WAREZ version I have been playing with for a couple of days.
> Looking in only the main folder of NFS:PU, here are some of the
> discrepancies I found. Note the file sizes:

> WAREZ : PORSCHE EXE 2,129,965 03-16-00 11:05p Porsche.exe
> RETAIL: PORSCHE EXE 249,119 03-13-00 2:52p Porsche.exe

> In the RETAIL and don't exist *at all* in WAREZ:

> CLCD32 DLL 27,648 03-13-00 2:52p clcd32.dll
> CLCD16 DLL 6,784 03-13-00 2:52p clcd16.dll
> 00000409 016 107,318 03-13-00 2:52p 00000409.016
> 00000409 256 215,478 03-13-00 2:52p 00000409.256
> PORSCHE ICD 2,129,965 03-13-00 2:52p PORSCHE.ICD
> CLOKSPL EXE 177,152 03-13-00 2:52p clokspl.exe

> etc., etc.

> There are over 1600 files in the other sub-folders.
> I suspect they contain other differences.

> When I run the retail version, here is what I noticed
> *immediately*. S-M-O-O-T-H-E-R. Before, with the WAREZ,
> when I maxed it ALL out at 1024x768 I would get a little
> choppiness, at times, on my PIII-600/Voodoo3.

> Not any more.

> The interior engine sound is much more clear and stronger in
> the Retail version. In the WAREZ version it was weak and I had
> to***around with volume controls in the game to make it
> stronger than everything else. Then, when I would go to a
> replay, in the external view is was way too loud.

> Not now... :)

> I am VERY happy with this thing and if you like Porsches
> (who doesn't), then rush to your nearest Electronics
> Boutique and hand the clerk $29.95.

> You too will be a happy camper. Trust me on this.

> Bye-bye, warez version, you have now been sent to
> the pirate graveyard.

> --
> * rrev at mindspring dot com *

by **Cliff Roma** » Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I think he is talking about the fact that the roads look like they are 10
lanes wide and it looks like you could fit 2 cars in one lane. I have
noticed that from the screenshots. I just hope that when I play it, it does
not bother me. (I do not think it will)

> Thomas, maybe you're confusing Porsche 2000 with Revolt?

> Andre

> >On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:28:13 +0100, "Thomas Heineman"

> >>Also of course, the cars are small like radio controlled cars compared
> >>to the scenery. Very anoying...

> >I haven't a clue as to what you're talking about. I have seen no
> >scale problems whatsoever in NFS:PU.

> >[shrug]

> >>Thomas

> >>>I am VERY happy with this thing and if you like Porsches
> >>>(who doesn't), then rush to your nearest Electronics
> >>>Boutique and hand the clerk $29.95.

> >>>You too will be a happy camper. Trust me on this.

by **rrevve** » Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:00:00

>Do bad it aint a Ferrari. I just hate Porsches

Ya, Porsches suck.

>> O.K., having just received my Retail copy of NFS: Porsche
>> Unleashed from the friendly FedEx guy, I made a comparison to
>> the WAREZ version I have been playing with for a couple of days.
>> Looking in only the main folder of NFS:PU, here are some of the
>> discrepancies I found. Note the file sizes:

>> WAREZ : PORSCHE EXE 2,129,965 03-16-00 11:05p Porsche.exe
>> RETAIL: PORSCHE EXE 249,119 03-13-00 2:52p Porsche.exe

>> In the RETAIL and don't exist *at all* in WAREZ:

>> CLCD32 DLL 27,648 03-13-00 2:52p clcd32.dll
>> CLCD16 DLL 6,784 03-13-00 2:52p clcd16.dll
>> 00000409 016 107,318 03-13-00 2:52p 00000409.016
>> 00000409 256 215,478 03-13-00 2:52p 00000409.256
>> PORSCHE ICD 2,129,965 03-13-00 2:52p PORSCHE.ICD
>> CLOKSPL EXE 177,152 03-13-00 2:52p clokspl.exe

>> etc., etc.

>> There are over 1600 files in the other sub-folders.
>> I suspect they contain other differences.

>> When I run the retail version, here is what I noticed
>> *immediately*. S-M-O-O-T-H-E-R. Before, with the WAREZ,
>> when I maxed it ALL out at 1024x768 I would get a little
>> choppiness, at times, on my PIII-600/Voodoo3.

>> Not any more.

>> The interior engine sound is much more clear and stronger in
>> the Retail version. In the WAREZ version it was weak and I had
>> to***around with volume controls in the game to make it
>> stronger than everything else. Then, when I would go to a
>> replay, in the external view is was way too loud.

>> Not now... :)

>> I am VERY happy with this thing and if you like Porsches
>> (who doesn't), then rush to your nearest Electronics
>> Boutique and hand the clerk $29.95.

>> You too will be a happy camper. Trust me on this.

>> Bye-bye, warez version, you have now been sent to
>> the pirate graveyard.

>> --
>> * rrev at mindspring dot com *

--
* rrev at mindspring dot com *

by **Tim Maver** » Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Do you know if this works in Win2000? I have ordered it and am wondering
if I will need to install Win98 in a dual boot to play it. I am prepared to
do that as I simply love this game, but I would really love it if it worked
in Win2K.

by **David Er** » Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:00:00

( lotta snippage of good info)>

Can you drive a 904 in this one? I've always wanted to since I read Henry N
Manney's account of the TargaFlorio races in early '60s edition of
RoadTrack. Theres just something *really* nice about the 904.

David

by **David L. Coo** » Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:00:00

FWIW - If you look at the tracks in GPL, then look at photo's of the real
tracks (or even footage of a race), you'll notice that in GPL they seem
almost twice as wide. One track that really proved this to me is Mosport.
I watched a Formula Ford (I think) race at Mosport and couldn't get over how
narrow the track looked compared to GPL.

Guess it just makes for better *** if you give the virtual driver a
little more room...

--David Cook

> I think he is talking about the fact that the roads look like they are 10
> lanes wide and it looks like you could fit 2 cars in one lane. I have
> noticed that from the screenshots. I just hope that when I play it, it
does
> not bother me. (I do not think it will)

> > Thomas, maybe you're confusing Porsche 2000 with Revolt?

> > Andre

> > >On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:28:13 +0100, "Thomas Heineman"

> > >>Also of course, the cars are small like radio controlled cars compared
> > >>to the scenery. Very anoying...

> > >I haven't a clue as to what you're talking about. I have seen no
> > >scale problems whatsoever in NFS:PU.

> > >[shrug]

> > >>Thomas

> > >>>I am VERY happy with this thing and if you like Porsches
> > >>>(who doesn't), then rush to your nearest Electronics
> > >>>Boutique and hand the clerk $29.95.

> > >>>You too will be a happy camper. Trust me on this.

by **rrevve** » Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Tim, according to the specs on the box, Win98, NT, and Win2000
are supported.

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* rrev at mindspring dot com *

by **rrevve** » Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:00:00

>( lotta snippage of good info)>
>> --
>> * rrev at mindspring dot com *

>Can you drive a 904 in this one? I've always wanted to since I read Henry N
>Manney's account of the TargaFlorio races in early '60s edition of
>RoadTrack. Theres just something *really* nice about the 904.

>David

David, there are 356,356a,356b,550,911,914,928,944,930,935,944,
959,964,965,993,996,boxster,gt1

Also, there are several models of many of the above, like coupes,
cabrios, targas, speedsters, supers, carrera, etc.,etc.,etc... ;)

It doesn't have a 904, 917,906, or 908, but there is a *lot* of Porsche
goodness in this game.

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* rrev at mindspring dot com *

by **ymenar** » Sat, 25 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Snetterton is darn tight :)

Rouen also. The Ring is quite narrow. Zandy is very realistic compared to
real-life track width. But you are right about Mosport (and I'll add
Watkins Glen), the track is probably around 10% larger than reality in terms
of track width. Like we care much. At least they don't invert elevations
or invent corners to patch their tracks like F1 2000 (just try the A1-Ring
to see).

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **Joe6** » Sat, 25 Mar 2000 04:00:00

>I guess you realize that on a rear-engined Porsche that adding
>throttle when in a loose or oversteer condition, in general will
>lessen the oversteer? Also, if you lift off the throttle, you will
>spin. Both of those things are modelled in this game.

True, all true. I'm incredibly impressed to finally see this in a
computer game. Unbelievably fun!

Joe McGinn
_____________________
Radical Entertainment

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