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ra300

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by ra300 » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:09:43


GT3 was made to make money.  That's all.

GPL was made to (1) be the best simulator and (2) make money.  It
failed misterably at #2 but after 3 years GPL is still the best
simulator available.

You are a sucker to Sony if you believe all the hype around this thing

Alai

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by Alai » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:53:11

Who said quantity without quality?   Just little negative YOU.  :-P


John Cauthe

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by John Cauthe » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:38:18



> >    probably because the company that makes the Gran Tourismo games has
no pc
> > experience.  They are strictly console developers.  And since GT3 is a
> > premier title, designed to increase console sales, it probably means the
> > developers are constrained from providing this title to any other
format.
> >   My son has a friend who will be getting it and the Logitech wheel.  HE
is
> > going to bring it over because he knows I'm such a sim-head...That
little

SOME
> > sort of***pit or nose cam....I can't, in good consceinse(sp?), fly a
> > hang-glider behind a car.

> there's the grill-view, yes.  no hood-cam or in-car views,
> unfortunately.

And that will just about cinch it for me.... no***pit view in a simulator
of this  caliber - why?  I just don't get it - surely the PS2 could handle
the presentation of some degree of the***pit.  I'd settle for the view
that Sega used in F-355 Challenge for the Dreamcast.  You see the top of the
dash and the top third of the movable steering wheel, complete with hands.
It's a whole lot better than nothing... I'm in utter bewilderment over this!

John Cauthen

Sinj

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by Sinj » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:11:14

I'm guessing that with over 300 cars it would have taken an extra CD just to
hold all the digital imagery of the dashboards/interior.

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istof

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by istof » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:53:12



>GT3 was made to make money.  That's all.

>GPL was made to (1) be the best simulator and (2) make money.  It
>failed misterably at #2 but after 3 years GPL is still the best
>simulator available.

>You are a sucker to Sony if you believe all the hype around this thing

GPL was made to make money first of all.  It wouldn't get past the
paper sketches stage if they thought it wouldn't make money.
Admittedly, the developers and the marketing / bean counters probably
had differing goals at the end of the day, but I stick to my cynical
opinion.

The GT series are *excellent* games in my opinion.  They would be in
my top 10 all time favourite games along with GPL(undisputed #1).   I
sat down to play some Kyalami laps in GPL last night after
re-installing new dashes for my Postman Pat Ferarri(yes, i'm that
slow).  After the track refusing to load (i have no idea why), i gave
up.  I could have deleted all the patches from my tracks folder, but I
thought i'd try something else for a change.

I remembered this thread and found my GT2 cd.  I popped it in, fired
up EPSXE 1.4 and had an enjoyable blast in my Subaru.  Running at
1024x768 32bit colour, filtered, etc, it was a darn sight better than
running it on a PSX.  I have some screenshots that I can post for
interests sake if asked.  The only flaw in the system is the
draw-ahead of the PSX is replicated perfectly on the PC so you end up
with annoying popup.  The interesting thing (for me anyway) is that
the graphics are sooo much better than the psx that you can actually
read advertising boards long before they would be legible on a real
psx.  

I was planning to play for about half and hour, but ended up finishing
the licenses and using up another additional hour messing around and
doing short races.

Sure its an arcadey game, sure the physics are off, but its still fun.
It shouldn't ever be compared to PC Sims, but rather PC Arcade games
like Need for Speed / Test Drive, etc.    I'm sorry to say that when
comparing it that way, the PC comes off a poor second.

Thinking of my all time fave games was an interesting diversion there.
How many of you remember Elite, Thrust, Impossible Mission, Paradroid
(c64).  Sentinel(Geoff Crammond), Rainbow Islands, Kick Off 2 (amiga),
etc
Regards all,
istoff

"Its easy to get lost in thought
if you don't go there often"    - Me, 1993

Gunnar Horrigm

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by Gunnar Horrigm » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:21:25




> >so don't buy it, shut up, and let me have my fun.  problem solved.

> I won't be buying it, but I won't shut up just because you say to
> either. This is an open discussion forum and I am expressing my right
> to make any comment I like.

true.  but we got your drift the first time.

--
Gunnar
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                          DE RECTIS NON TOLERANDUM EST

Gunnar Horrigm

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by Gunnar Horrigm » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:22:31






> > > >there's the grill-view, yes.  no hood-cam or in-car views,
> > > >unfortunately.

> > > Pfft! Good thing it's not being ported to then PC then, not many PC
> > > users would buy a racing game with no***pit.

> > so don't buy it, shut up, and let me have my fun.  problem solved.

> No, you shut up and let the man have HIS say! No***pit = not a

bullshit.

yeah, great idea.  lets ban all talk of arcade racers.

--
Gunnar
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                             gitaren er en sjingke

Gunnar Horrigm

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by Gunnar Horrigm » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:24:01




> > there's the grill-view, yes.  no hood-cam or in-car views,
> > unfortunately.

> And that will just about cinch it for me.... no***pit view in a simulator
> of this  caliber - why?  

I agree.  it doesn't make sense.  it's still a damn godd game, though.

--
Gunnar
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                 "Det er nok ingen ovn, men fartsm?leren v?r."

Gunnar Horrigm

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by Gunnar Horrigm » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:25:17


> I'm guessing that with over 300 cars it would have taken an extra CD just to
> hold all the digital imagery of the dashboards/interior.

maybe.  but a hood-cam would cost nothing.  adding a hood-cam is just
a matter of moving the camera.  

--
Gunnar
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                 "Det er nok ingen ovn, men fartsm?leren v?r."

Gunnar Horrigm

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by Gunnar Horrigm » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:27:36


> Viper has good physics...but because of the fake tracks, I don't hold it
> high up on my list of sims...all of GT3 tracks are modeled from their real
> life counterparts correct?....or not.

some are.  Laguna Seca, for example, looks to be quite correct,
although I can't really say as I've never been there. :)

I believe quite a few of the tracks are fictional, though.

--
Gunnar
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        gnus don't kill people.  gnus-summary-lower-score kills people.

Gunnar Horrigm

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by Gunnar Horrigm » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:32:19

is EPSXE downloadable?  can you use a steering wheel with it?

--
Gunnar
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             "a poster is a human being or the software equivalent"

istof

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by istof » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:53:29


>istoff <> writes:

>> I remembered this thread and found my GT2 cd.  I popped it in, fired
>> up EPSXE 1.4 and had an enjoyable blast in my Subaru.  Running at
>> 1024x768 32bit colour, filtered, etc, it was a darn sight better than
>> running it on a PSX.  

>is EPSXE downloadable?  can you use a steering wheel with it?

www.psxemu.com or
www.epsxe.com

i am posting some screenshots to
members.fortunecity.com/istoff/gt2psxe/

building the html & index as we speak.  uploading within 10
minutes....

hope *SOME* of you like it :)

the bashers among you can comment all you like, but i still like it.

it's a question of taste, and i never said mine was good :)

Regards all,
istoff

"Its easy to get lost in thought
if you don't go there often"    - Me, 1993

Nodd

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by Nodd » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:13:39



I don't have this emulator, but found this for you. Wonder what games
work well on this emulator? All of them?

http://www.psxemu.com/epsxe/download/ePSXe_FAQ.txt

http://www.psxemu.com

Nodd

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by Nodd » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:16:34



He didn't so I will post as many times as it takes. Is that ok with
you?

istof

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by istof » Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:13:09



sorry for missing the second part of your question.  i tried using my
MS Wheel with it, but it was a bit fiddly.  For example, you had to
use the wheel and pedals to select menus, etc.

I eventually went back to my dual shock joypad.

the pages had a problem uploading, but they are done now.

Regards all,
istoff

"Its easy to get lost in thought
if you don't go there often"    - Me, 1993


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