rec.autos.simulators

> Hi folks,

> So, with an AMD k-300 (mildly oc'd to 333), 64 mb, Voodoo 2 system, which of
> the two following Ways To More FPS would you think best?

> >buy a new k2-450 CPU

> OR

> >switch the Voodoo 2 for a Voodoo 3?

> I'm trying to make this a cheap boost--no motherboard swaps or that sort of
> thing.

> thanks very much,

> David

> I have a K6-2/300 not o'clocked ,128meg ram ,Guillemot Voodoo Banshee 16
> meg. I easily maintain 25 fps at the starting line w/13 cars . After start
> 36 fps and silky smooth no matter what. From what I read here that is
about
> the best you can expect. I don't have any plans for any future upgrades as
> it would simply be a waste of money.
> Oh yeah, I just got started in VROC and get 36 fps at ALL times on a 56k
> modem. If I can get this performance so can you. Just spend the time
> optimizing your system. Don't spend the money if you don't need to. A
faster
> system may help in other programs but it ain't gonna get you any more than
> 36 fps in GPL.

> Joe


> > Hi folks,

> > So, with an AMD k-300 (mildly oc'd to 333), 64 mb, Voodoo 2 system,
which
> of
> > the two following Ways To More FPS would you think best?

> > >buy a new k2-450 CPU

> > OR

> > >switch the Voodoo 2 for a Voodoo 3?

> > I'm trying to make this a cheap boost--no motherboard swaps or that sort
> of
> > thing.

> > thanks very much,

> > David

> A K6-2/450 , 128meg and Voodoo 2 gives me 36fps almost all the time, start
> line seems to see it drop to around 26fps.
> I know it sounds stupid but have you checked that you have nothing running
> in the background? ICQ net detect, system maintenance scheduler etc
> Having those running will occassionaly see frame rate drop to 32fps on
mine

> > I have a K6-2/300 not o'clocked ,128meg ram ,Guillemot Voodoo Banshee 16
> > meg. I easily maintain 25 fps at the starting line w/13 cars . After
start
> > 36 fps and silky smooth no matter what. From what I read here that is
> about
> > the best you can expect. I don't have any plans for any future upgrades
as
> > it would simply be a waste of money.
> > Oh yeah, I just got started in VROC and get 36 fps at ALL times on a 56k
> > modem. If I can get this performance so can you. Just spend the time
> > optimizing your system. Don't spend the money if you don't need to. A
> faster
> > system may help in other programs but it ain't gonna get you any more
than
> > 36 fps in GPL.

> > Joe


> > > Hi folks,

> > > So, with an AMD k-300 (mildly oc'd to 333), 64 mb, Voodoo 2 system,
> which
> > of
> > > the two following Ways To More FPS would you think best?

> > > >buy a new k2-450 CPU

> > > OR

> > > >switch the Voodoo 2 for a Voodoo 3?

> > > I'm trying to make this a cheap boost--no motherboard swaps or that
sort
> > of
> > > thing.

> > > thanks very much,

> > > David

> I've been pretty thorough about optimizing, and nothing's running
> background.  However, I did say I have a k6-300, rather than a k62-300.
> Maybe that accounts for the difference?

> thanks one and all for the suggestions,
> DK

> > A K6-2/450 , 128meg and Voodoo 2 gives me 36fps almost all the time,
start
> > line seems to see it drop to around 26fps.
> > I know it sounds stupid but have you checked that you have nothing
running
> > in the background? ICQ net detect, system maintenance scheduler etc
> > Having those running will occassionaly see frame rate drop to 32fps on
> mine

> > > I have a K6-2/300 not o'clocked ,128meg ram ,Guillemot Voodoo Banshee
16
> > > meg. I easily maintain 25 fps at the starting line w/13 cars . After
> start
> > > 36 fps and silky smooth no matter what. From what I read here that is
> > about
> > > the best you can expect. I don't have any plans for any future
upgrades
> as
> > > it would simply be a waste of money.
> > > Oh yeah, I just got started in VROC and get 36 fps at ALL times on a
56k
> > > modem. If I can get this performance so can you. Just spend the time
> > > optimizing your system. Don't spend the money if you don't need to. A
> > faster
> > > system may help in other programs but it ain't gonna get you any more
> than
> > > 36 fps in GPL.

> > > Joe


> > > > Hi folks,

> > > > So, with an AMD k-300 (mildly oc'd to 333), 64 mb, Voodoo 2 system,
> > which
> > > of
> > > > the two following Ways To More FPS would you think best?

> > > > >buy a new k2-450 CPU

> > > > OR

> > > > >switch the Voodoo 2 for a Voodoo 3?

> > > > I'm trying to make this a cheap boost--no motherboard swaps or that
> sort
> > > of
> > > > thing.

> > > > thanks very much,

> > > > David

>I've been pretty thorough about optimizing, and nothing's running
>background.  However, I did say I have a k6-300, rather than a k62-300.
>Maybe that accounts for the difference?

>thanks one and all for the suggestions,
>DK

>> A K6-2/450 , 128meg and Voodoo 2 gives me 36fps almost all the time,
start
>> line seems to see it drop to around 26fps.
>> I know it sounds stupid but have you checked that you have nothing
running
>> in the background? ICQ net detect, system maintenance scheduler etc
>> Having those running will occassionaly see frame rate drop to 32fps on
>mine

>> > I have a K6-2/300 not o'clocked ,128meg ram ,Guillemot Voodoo Banshee
16
>> > meg. I easily maintain 25 fps at the starting line w/13 cars . After
>start
>> > 36 fps and silky smooth no matter what. From what I read here that is
>> about
>> > the best you can expect. I don't have any plans for any future upgrades
>as
>> > it would simply be a waste of money.
>> > Oh yeah, I just got started in VROC and get 36 fps at ALL times on a
56k
>> > modem. If I can get this performance so can you. Just spend the time
>> > optimizing your system. Don't spend the money if you don't need to. A
>> faster
>> > system may help in other programs but it ain't gonna get you any more
>than
>> > 36 fps in GPL.

>> > Joe


>> > > Hi folks,

>> > > So, with an AMD k-300 (mildly oc'd to 333), 64 mb, Voodoo 2 system,
>> which
>> > of
>> > > the two following Ways To More FPS would you think best?

>> > > >buy a new k2-450 CPU

>> > > OR

>> > > >switch the Voodoo 2 for a Voodoo 3?

>> > > I'm trying to make this a cheap boost--no motherboard swaps or that
>sort
>> > of
>> > > thing.

>> > > thanks very much,

>> > > David

> Boy I was a fat lot of help wasn't I ? Didn't pay attention to the fact
that
> it wasn't a K6-2. What are your actual frame rates ?
> Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut. It may actually be time for YOU to
> upgrade. I still contend that you really don't need to have a mega-buck
> system to run GPL though. If you're a working stiff like me you have to
> really stretch the old computer budget. The last thing I bought was a CD
> burner.
> ($170) There goes my budget for the next six months.

> Joe

> > I've been pretty thorough about optimizing, and nothing's running
> > background.  However, I did say I have a k6-300, rather than a k62-300.
> > Maybe that accounts for the difference?

> > thanks one and all for the suggestions,
> > DK

> > > A K6-2/450 , 128meg and Voodoo 2 gives me 36fps almost all the time,
> start
> > > line seems to see it drop to around 26fps.
> > > I know it sounds stupid but have you checked that you have nothing
> running
> > > in the background? ICQ net detect, system maintenance scheduler etc
> > > Having those running will occassionaly see frame rate drop to 32fps on
> > mine

> > > > I have a K6-2/300 not o'clocked ,128meg ram ,Guillemot Voodoo
Banshee
> 16
> > > > meg. I easily maintain 25 fps at the starting line w/13 cars . After
> > start
> > > > 36 fps and silky smooth no matter what. From what I read here that
is
> > > about
> > > > the best you can expect. I don't have any plans for any future
> upgrades
> > as
> > > > it would simply be a waste of money.
> > > > Oh yeah, I just got started in VROC and get 36 fps at ALL times on a
> 56k
> > > > modem. If I can get this performance so can you. Just spend the time
> > > > optimizing your system. Don't spend the money if you don't need to.
A
> > > faster
> > > > system may help in other programs but it ain't gonna get you any
more
> > than
> > > > 36 fps in GPL.

> > > > Joe


> > > > > Hi folks,

> > > > > So, with an AMD k-300 (mildly oc'd to 333), 64 mb, Voodoo 2
system,
> > > which
> > > > of
> > > > > the two following Ways To More FPS would you think best?

> > > > > >buy a new k2-450 CPU

> > > > > OR

> > > > > >switch the Voodoo 2 for a Voodoo 3?

> > > > > I'm trying to make this a cheap boost--no motherboard swaps or
that
> > sort
> > > > of
> > > > > thing.

> > > > > thanks very much,

> > > > > David

>My frame rates are actually quite fine (800 x 600; 36 fps after everyone
>gets rolling for a bit), only they've been accomplished through what
>are--for me--some compromises I'd rather not have to make, such as:

>-reducing # of opponents to 12
>-detail bias about 1/4 of an inch from the rightmost limit

> >My frame rates are actually quite fine (800 x 600; 36 fps after everyone
> >gets rolling for a bit), only they've been accomplished through what
> >are--for me--some compromises I'd rather not have to make, such as:

> >-reducing # of opponents to 12
> >-detail bias about 1/4 of an inch from the rightmost limit

> Hmmm, then buy a bigger screen, so you can leave the slider 1/4 of an
> inch from the right side and still move it to the right. :) Seriously
> though, the only thing the 'detail bias' slider influences is the
> distance at which GPL displays hi-res textures. F.i. in Monza, when
> you come onto the main straight, you can see the two towers on the
> left side of the track. With the detail bias slider on full, you can
> see the second tower in hi-res when exiting Parabolica - not that you
> can distinguish anything, since the tower is approx 4x8 pixels wide in
> 800x600, but it is a hi-res texture.

> Now, if you put the slider into the middle position, you will
> practically see the same picture while exiting Parabolica. When you
> come close enough to actually distinguish details of the tower texture
> (which you wouldn't even do in a race, right?), GPL will already have
> switched to the hi-res texture, so you don't actually sacrifice
> display quality. But you will take a lot of workload off your graphics
> card.

> If you put the detail bias slider to the full left position, the
> textures will look less crisp close up, but once you're racing, you
> (that is 'I', of course) won't see a difference anyway. 'Detail bias'
> does not mean 'number of trackside objects'. IMO, trackside objects
> are important as braking markers, but I don't need extremely detailed
> textures on them at the expense of framerate. Do you really feel
> you're missing something by not having detail bias on full?

> >-the mirror patch (mirror refeshed every third frame)

> I assume this can be annoying.

> >-sound quality=0
> >-number of sounds = 4

> If I understand correctly, you can remedy this by getting a better PCI
> soundcard, e.g. SB Live! value.

> >-no tire-beveling
> >-no sky (er, well . . . no clouds)

> Do you miss them? I don't.

> --
> Wolfgang Preiss   \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

cancellation

>Boy I was a fat lot of help wasn't I ? Didn't pay attention to the fact that
>it wasn't a K6-2. What are your actual frame rates ?
>Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut. It may actually be time for YOU to
>upgrade. I still contend that you really don't need to have a mega-buck
>system to run GPL though. If you're a working stiff like me you have to
>really stretch the old computer budget. The last thing I bought was a CD
>burner.
>($170) There goes my budget for the next six months.

>The thing I notice most in the heat of racing about the detail bias setting
>is the detail of the cars ahead as they get closer. They can be very weird
>until you get close and then they resemble real cars.

>But I agree that I'll take frame rate over such a minor annoyance any day.
>And if you're fast enough (I'm not), then you never have cars in front
>anyway!