As much as I hate consoles, I just might have to get one at that price.
What is the BEST racing game available on the XBOX ?
That "Midtown Madness" clone (I forget the name right now) didn't really
impress me. Gotham racing or something like that.
Thanks :)
-Larry
Hopefully that helps. You're not going to find a GPL or N2002 on the
consoles but there is still plenty fun to be had.
mixdj1
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> Hopefully that helps. You're not going to find a GPL or N2002 on the
> consoles but there is still plenty fun to be had.
> mixdj1
> > There are rumors floating around indicating that Microsoft is going to
> drop
> > the price of the XBOX down to $149.
> > As much as I hate consoles, I just might have to get one at that price.
> > What is the BEST racing game available on the XBOX ?
> > That "Midtown Madness" clone (I forget the name right now) didn't really
> > impress me. Gotham racing or something like that.
> > Thanks :)
> > -Larry
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I don't know all the details on HDTV support (I'm stuck with composite
video) but my understanding is that they support 480P. Don't hold me to
that though. :)
mixdj1
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> > If you're talking "most sim like" then NASCAR Heat 2002. It has some of
> the
> > best physics seen on a console (not up to F355 Challenge level though).
I
> > am actually enjoying Sega GT 2002 right now. Think GT3 with slightly
> better
> > physics and AI (they actually try to avoid you). Grand Prix 4 is coming
> > sometime this fall as well.
> > Hopefully that helps. You're not going to find a GPL or N2002 on the
> > consoles but there is still plenty fun to be had.
> > mixdj1
> > > There are rumors floating around indicating that Microsoft is going to
> > drop
> > > the price of the XBOX down to $149.
> > > As much as I hate consoles, I just might have to get one at that
price.
> > > What is the BEST racing game available on the XBOX ?
> > > That "Midtown Madness" clone (I forget the name right now) didn't
really
> > > impress me. Gotham racing or something like that.
> > > Thanks :)
> > > -Larry
>That "Midtown Madness" clone (I forget the name right now) didn't really
>impress me. Gotham racing or something like that.
The NASCAR titles, if so inclined.
Project Gotham Racing. Pretty arcadey to me. I found its predecessor,
Metropolis Street Racer (Dreamcast) to be very arcade-oriented. Though I have
heard positive things about the handling and physics from friends who know a
fair amount about cars. Nice selection of cars and graphics.
SegaGT2002. Just out today. Movie looks good. But I had the DC version from
a couple of years back and found it far, far inferior in graphics, courses,
and car control (not necessarily the physics, but the controller action) to
the PS2's GT3. Heck, I prefered GT2 on the DC (via Bleemcast). This one has
promise. But I'd wait on a few reviews.
Rallisport Challenge was the rally title that a lot of fans went gaga over.
Randy MaGruder (author of superb racing sim reviews) gave it a rather mediocre
grade. See www.digitalsports.com
Or, I'd fork over the extra $50 and get a PS2 and immediately get GT3 ($20).
Ferrari 355 Challenge is due out soon. But doesn't look like it
improved over the DC version. TOCA Pro Race Driver (not out in US yet) is
getting some good reviews, some mediocre. There's a relative dearth of
top-notch racing games (few could be called sims) on the PS2 or any console.
The typical game runs 480p. Most games support anamorphic widescreen as
well which is really nice (my TV does anamorphic squeeze so I've seen games
both 4:3 and 16:9). NFL 2K3 looks terrific 16:9 since it's even sharper and
you can see more of the field. Street Hoops (bad game) is a recent *true*
will run 1080i (Dragon's Lair 3D is one title). Even at "only" 480p the
Xbox looks surprisingly good (I do have a 21" Trinitron Flat PC monitor so
I'm not too easily impressed).
Bottom line for me: Xbox looks brilliant on my 36" Wega XBR (far better than
a PS2) so I can only imagine how sweet it will look on a 50" WS set. Oh
yeah, did I mention most games support Dolby Digital 5.1? If you buy an
Xbox, and have a 5.1 DD system, play Halo on your 50" WS with your subwoofer
cranking and be amazed. Makes a PC start to look . . . dare I say obsolete.
;0)
PS-for the other Joe: I heard the TM wheel SUCKS so be sure you can return
it and please post your impressions if you do buy it. I'm so spoiled by my
MOMO that I won't buy a***poor Xbox wheel (hoping Xbox goes FF like PS2
did with the Logitech).
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> > If you're talking "most sim like" then NASCAR Heat 2002. It has some of
> the
> > best physics seen on a console (not up to F355 Challenge level though).
I
> > am actually enjoying Sega GT 2002 right now. Think GT3 with slightly
> better
> > physics and AI (they actually try to avoid you). Grand Prix 4 is coming
> > sometime this fall as well.
> > Hopefully that helps. You're not going to find a GPL or N2002 on the
> > consoles but there is still plenty fun to be had.
> > mixdj1
> > > There are rumors floating around indicating that Microsoft is going to
> > drop
> > > the price of the XBOX down to $149.
> > > As much as I hate consoles, I just might have to get one at that
price.
> > > What is the BEST racing game available on the XBOX ?
> > > That "Midtown Madness" clone (I forget the name right now) didn't
really
> > > impress me. Gotham racing or something like that.
> > > Thanks :)
> > > -Larry
Other good games.
RallieSport challenge
Project Gotham racing
F1-2001.
--
====================================================
: There are rumors floating around indicating that Microsoft is going to
drop
: the price of the XBOX down to $149.
:
: As much as I hate consoles, I just might have to get one at that price.
:
: What is the BEST racing game available on the XBOX ?
:
: That "Midtown Madness" clone (I forget the name right now) didn't really
: impress me. Gotham racing or something like that.
:
: Thanks :)
:
: -Larry
:
:
I'm working on a story for Motor Trend abt. driving games for video
consoles, and thus far, Grand Turismo 3 is the hands-down winner. Of the
30-odd tracks (actually 19, but most also run in reverse), only one isn't a
fantasy track (Laguna Seca), and there is a mix of driving street cars on
the open road, rally cars on special stages, and race cars on ovals and
natural-terrain road courses. The physics aren't totally convincing (all
front-drivers feel about the same; the difference is in performance levels;
ditto for mid-rear and rear-drivers), but they are all fun to drive, and
some are quite challenging. GT3 has two enormous advantages: one, the
number of licensed cars is staggering (Ford GT40, Shelby Cobra, the fabled
Nissan Skyline, Jaguar XJ220, the Dome-like Toyota GT-1, etc.), a total of
150 cars, and each is lovingly detailed down to the door handles and disc
brakes that glow red under braking. And two, the game play is superlative:
you get drawn in right away, and remain hooked on climbing your way up the
ladder from competing in little shit-boxes to million-dollar race cars.
The Xbox has a definite technical advantage: it comes with a built-in hard
drive and Ethernet port (these are add-ons for the PS2). Best of all, for
$19.95, you can get an adapter cable that allows you to jack into a HDTV at
820p or 1020i, which gives you a fantastic image - it's as good as XGA
(1024x768) on a computer monitor. The PS2 can output to an 820p screen, but
it's not quite as good. I've been testing both consoles on a $1000 Samsung
27-inch HDTV that includes a line-doubler (which transforms DVDs but does
little for videotapes) which yields nothing--visually--to the PC, um,
"experience."
The prob (as Joe Heiman points out) is controllers. Most console racers are
designed for gamepad control and don't feel right even with a wheel...and
many others (like the egregious Le Mans 24 Hour) don't support *any" wheels.
My early *** experience was all with joysticks for flight-sims, but I
can't get a handle on the little (1-inch tall) sticks that come with console
controllers. The PS2 will accept most USB wheel-and-pedal setups originally
designed for PCs (I'm using a TM Ferrari wheel), but--unaccountably--the
Xbox demands dedicated wheels (I've been using the TM NASCAR Pro Victory).
Despite the dearth of decent racing sims for the PC, there are a ton of
racing/driving games already out there for consoles, ranging from the
sublime (GT3) to the ridiculous (Grand Theft Auto, Crazy Taxi, Starsky &
Hutch), and several more wending their way to an Electronics Boutique by
this Christmas. For my Top 10 list, I'm looking at GT3, Rallisport
Challenge, Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit 2, NASCAR Heat, NASCAR Thunder, F1
2002, GP4, World Rally Championship 2 (if I can find it), Colin McRae 3,
Mercedes-Benz World Racing (kinda like NfS: Porsche Unleashed, only for
Benz'), Project Gotham Racing, and Pro Race Driver. I was going to try to
get this in the January issue (on sale during December for some arcane
reason), but late release dates have moved this back to the February issue.
The next Big Thing in console racing will be online play, but astonishingly,
the developers are not going to have any racing games until Spring, 2003
(Sony launched their online games--dial-up and broadband--last month;
Microsoft will roll out their broadband-only Xbox Live in November).
Considering how many racing games are sold for consoles (Gran Turismo has
sold 15 million copies), you'd think they woulda made that a priority. Pro
Race Driver for the Xbox has been delayed, ostensibly to make it one for the
first online racers, and I've heard GT4 will definitely be an online game.
Hey, if Papyrus is defecting to consoles, maybe we should all be heading in
that direction.
--Steve Smith
There's also "Cote d'Azur" which is actually the F1 Monte Carlo course.
Is that confirmed??
Is there any chance that SegaGT2002 will make it to the PS2? Or is there a
gentlemen's agreement there that they won't compete with Sony's own GT series?
To bad if it'll never be offered. Sony would be wise to encourage it just to
avoid defections.
Who knows, something interesting (and good) might come of this.
Uwe
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-Larry
BTW... Any way to get a Momo wheel working on the Xbox ? I have one, might
as well use it for _something_.
-Larry
> Hopefully that helps. You're not going to find a GPL or N2002 on the
> consoles but there is still plenty fun to be had.
> mixdj1
> > There are rumors floating around indicating that Microsoft is going to
> drop
> > the price of the XBOX down to $149.
> > As much as I hate consoles, I just might have to get one at that price.
> > What is the BEST racing game available on the XBOX ?
> > That "Midtown Madness" clone (I forget the name right now) didn't really
> > impress me. Gotham racing or something like that.
> > Thanks :)
> > -Larry
-Larry
> Other good games.
> RallieSport challenge
> Project Gotham racing
> F1-2001.
> --
> ====================================================
> : There are rumors floating around indicating that Microsoft is going to
> drop
> : the price of the XBOX down to $149.
> :
> : As much as I hate consoles, I just might have to get one at that price.
> :
> : What is the BEST racing game available on the XBOX ?
> :
> : That "Midtown Madness" clone (I forget the name right now) didn't really
> : impress me. Gotham racing or something like that.
> :
> : Thanks :)
> :
> : -Larry
> :
> :
Thanks for all the info!
-Larry
> I'm working on a story for Motor Trend abt. driving games for video
> consoles, and thus far, Grand Turismo 3 is the hands-down winner. Of the
> 30-odd tracks (actually 19, but most also run in reverse), only one isn't
a
> fantasy track (Laguna Seca), and there is a mix of driving street cars on
> the open road, rally cars on special stages, and race cars on ovals and
> natural-terrain road courses. The physics aren't totally convincing (all
> front-drivers feel about the same; the difference is in performance
levels;
> ditto for mid-rear and rear-drivers), but they are all fun to drive, and
> some are quite challenging. GT3 has two enormous advantages: one, the
> number of licensed cars is staggering (Ford GT40, Shelby Cobra, the fabled
> Nissan Skyline, Jaguar XJ220, the Dome-like Toyota GT-1, etc.), a total of
> 150 cars, and each is lovingly detailed down to the door handles and disc
> brakes that glow red under braking. And two, the game play is
superlative:
> you get drawn in right away, and remain hooked on climbing your way up the
> ladder from competing in little shit-boxes to million-dollar race cars.
> The Xbox has a definite technical advantage: it comes with a built-in hard
> drive and Ethernet port (these are add-ons for the PS2). Best of all, for
> $19.95, you can get an adapter cable that allows you to jack into a HDTV
at
> 820p or 1020i, which gives you a fantastic image - it's as good as XGA
> (1024x768) on a computer monitor. The PS2 can output to an 820p screen,
but
> it's not quite as good. I've been testing both consoles on a $1000
Samsung
> 27-inch HDTV that includes a line-doubler (which transforms DVDs but does
> little for videotapes) which yields nothing--visually--to the PC, um,
> "experience."
> The prob (as Joe Heiman points out) is controllers. Most console racers
are
> designed for gamepad control and don't feel right even with a wheel...and
> many others (like the egregious Le Mans 24 Hour) don't support *any"
wheels.
> My early *** experience was all with joysticks for flight-sims, but I
> can't get a handle on the little (1-inch tall) sticks that come with
console
> controllers. The PS2 will accept most USB wheel-and-pedal setups
originally
> designed for PCs (I'm using a TM Ferrari wheel), but--unaccountably--the
> Xbox demands dedicated wheels (I've been using the TM NASCAR Pro Victory).
> Despite the dearth of decent racing sims for the PC, there are a ton of
> racing/driving games already out there for consoles, ranging from the
> sublime (GT3) to the ridiculous (Grand Theft Auto, Crazy Taxi, Starsky &
> Hutch), and several more wending their way to an Electronics Boutique by
> this Christmas. For my Top 10 list, I'm looking at GT3, Rallisport
> Challenge, Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit 2, NASCAR Heat, NASCAR Thunder, F1
> 2002, GP4, World Rally Championship 2 (if I can find it), Colin McRae 3,
> Mercedes-Benz World Racing (kinda like NfS: Porsche Unleashed, only for
> Benz'), Project Gotham Racing, and Pro Race Driver. I was going to try to
> get this in the January issue (on sale during December for some arcane
> reason), but late release dates have moved this back to the February
issue.
> The next Big Thing in console racing will be online play, but
astonishingly,
> the developers are not going to have any racing games until Spring, 2003
> (Sony launched their online games--dial-up and broadband--last month;
> Microsoft will roll out their broadband-only Xbox Live in November).
> Considering how many racing games are sold for consoles (Gran Turismo has
> sold 15 million copies), you'd think they woulda made that a priority.
Pro
> Race Driver for the Xbox has been delayed, ostensibly to make it one for
the
> first online racers, and I've heard GT4 will definitely be an online game.
> Hey, if Papyrus is defecting to consoles, maybe we should all be heading
in
> that direction.
> --Steve Smith
> > There are rumors floating around indicating that Microsoft is going to
> drop
> > the price of the XBOX down to $149.
> > As much as I hate consoles, I just might have to get one at that price.
> > What is the BEST racing game available on the XBOX ?
> > That "Midtown Madness" clone (I forget the name right now) didn't really
> > impress me. Gotham racing or something like that.
> > Thanks :)
> > -Larry
-Larry
> >That "Midtown Madness" clone (I forget the name right now) didn't really
> >impress me. Gotham racing or something like that.
> Don't have an XBOX, have a PS2. From what I've read and demo'd, the
following
> are worth considering on the XBOX:
> The NASCAR titles, if so inclined.
> Project Gotham Racing. Pretty arcadey to me. I found its predecessor,
> Metropolis Street Racer (Dreamcast) to be very arcade-oriented. Though I
have
> heard positive things about the handling and physics from friends who know
a
> fair amount about cars. Nice selection of cars and graphics.
> SegaGT2002. Just out today. Movie looks good. But I had the DC version
from
> a couple of years back and found it far, far inferior in graphics,
courses,
> and car control (not necessarily the physics, but the controller action)
to
> the PS2's GT3. Heck, I prefered GT2 on the DC (via Bleemcast). This one
has
> promise. But I'd wait on a few reviews.
> Rallisport Challenge was the rally title that a lot of fans went gaga
over.
> Randy MaGruder (author of superb racing sim reviews) gave it a rather
mediocre
> grade. See www.digitalsports.com
> Or, I'd fork over the extra $50 and get a PS2 and immediately get GT3
($20).
> Ferrari 355 Challenge is due out soon. But doesn't look like it
> improved over the DC version. TOCA Pro Race Driver (not out in US yet) is
> getting some good reviews, some mediocre. There's a relative dearth of
> top-notch racing games (few could be called sims) on the PS2 or any
