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Gunnar
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                    to err is human -- to forgive is bovine.

You really need to define "port".
If the game comes out at exactly the same time as the PS/2's and GC's then
it's not a port.
If the game has been enhanced, it may be a "port", but it's better then the
original, so being a "port" isn't a bad thing.

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:
: > > me an a couple of friends have just about every *** console ever
: > > sold, and I don't think I've ever been so thoroughly disappointed by
: > > one as much as the XBox.  sure, the hardware is up there fighting with
: > > everyone, but there are almost NO original games!  the box is
: > > inarguably better than the ps2 technology-wise, but the ps2 is still
: > > were stuff is happening.
: >
: > 12 months after the PS2 was released, there was still jack-all available
for
: > it.  At least the Xbox had some decent games when it launched.  The
: > Dreamcast proved that you don't necessarily need beefy hardware any more
for
: > eye-popping visuals.  Although the Xbox is technically superior to the
PS2,
: > it's still going to come down to the skill of the game makers.  I can
assure
: > you though, it's going to be an Xbox Christmas.....
:
: so you are saying that Xbox has plenty of games that aren't just ports
: from other platforms?
:
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: Gunnar
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:                     to err is human -- to forgive is bovine.

In the pipeline some Xbox exclusives that should impress include: Panzer
Dragoon Orta, Star Wars: KOTOR, Blinx, Toejam & Earl, Whacked!, Unreal
Championship, Brute Force, and Mech***.

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Joe Marques

Jason

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Will DOOM3 be on the PS/2 NO, will it be on the GC, NO.
Will it be on the PC, hell yes.

In terms of all three consoles, only XBox will have this game, that's
somewhat exclusive.

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: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:50:24 -0300, "PositiveG"
:
: >Sure it will have plenty of exclusives DOOM3 for example.
:
: So Doom 3 isn't coming out for the PC?
:
: Jason
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Also, have you noticed on TV ads when they show in game play, what consoles
logo is displayed?
Xbox.  Street Hoops for example.

Anyhow, it's a good time to be a gamer, some quality stuff coming our way.

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: I think the issue is that multi-platform development suffers from the
lowest
: common denominator syndrome: develop it for the PS2 and "port" it to the
: other 2 more powerful systems.  Games that come out on all three should
look
: the best on the Xbox but don't because it's too expensive/time consuming
to
: upgrade the look just for the Xbox.  Xbox exclusives usually look terrific
: because they maximize the hardware of the Xbox.  Compare Halo to Turok as
an
: example.  Also look at DOA3 and Enclave for what the Xbox CAN do vs. what
: developers actually deliver in multi-platform development.
:
: In the pipeline some Xbox exclusives that should impress include: Panzer
: Dragoon Orta, Star Wars: KOTOR, Blinx, Toejam & Earl, Whacked!, Unreal
: Championship, Brute Force, and Mech***.
:
: --
: Joe Marques
:
:

: > Sure it will have plenty of exclusives DOOM3 for example.
: >
: > You really need to define "port".
: > If the game comes out at exactly the same time as the PS/2's and GC's
then
: > it's not a port.
: > If the game has been enhanced, it may be a "port", but it's better then
: the
: > original, so being a "port" isn't a bad thing.
: >
: >
: >
: >
: > ====================================================
: >
: >



: > :
: > : > > me an a couple of friends have just about every *** console
ever
: > : > > sold, and I don't think I've ever been so thoroughly disappointed
by
: > : > > one as much as the XBox.  sure, the hardware is up there fighting
: with
: > : > > everyone, but there are almost NO original games!  the box is
: > : > > inarguably better than the ps2 technology-wise, but the ps2 is
still
: > : > > were stuff is happening.
: > : >
: > : > 12 months after the PS2 was released, there was still jack-all
: available
: > for
: > : > it.  At least the Xbox had some decent games when it launched.  The
: > : > Dreamcast proved that you don't necessarily need beefy hardware any
: more
: > for
: > : > eye-popping visuals.  Although the Xbox is technically superior to
the
: > PS2,
: > : > it's still going to come down to the skill of the game makers.  I
can
: > assure
: > : > you though, it's going to be an Xbox Christmas.....
: > :
: > : so you are saying that Xbox has plenty of games that aren't just ports
: > : from other platforms?
: > :
: > : --
: > : Gunnar
: > :     #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8
Kibo:
: 2
: > :                     to err is human -- to forgive is bovine.
: >
: >
:
:

Not sure where you are coming from with the comment below.  At the risk
of asking a stupid question, did you find and turn off the traction
control and stability aids?  Granted the cars feel a tad unrealistic
with them on, but when you turn them off I thought they felt pretty
good.  They do seem to be biased towards heavy understeer, but that can
easily be cured in the garage menu.

Also with regards to the pedals not working, again I have to ask the
stupid question: did you look at the control layout in the options menu?
The default (A) has accelerator and brake on buttons rather than on the
triggers, hence your pedals wouldn't do what you expected.  If you
switch to control layout B or D the gas and brake should be where you
expect them to be.  There is no reason that I know of for the TM pedals
not to work - all they do is send the same signals the hand controllers
do.  I'm pretty sure you can fix the problem by just changing the
control layout as I said.

Now if I am right about the above you really need to give this game
another chance.  I was a little miffed about a couple of things at first
too, but since I took the time to set it up the way I liked and really
started playing it, I have been having a blast.  The tracks are much
better than the tracks in PGR, and the AI is among the best I have seen
in any racing game, console or otherwise.  And both the Sega GT 2002
mode and the chronicle mode are quite ***ive.

Regards,
Hal

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Joe Marques

I agree.  

doesn't change the fact that we've already played through it.

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Gunnar
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             "a poster is a human being or the software equivalent"

Still, PS2 has GTA:VC which I would expect to singlehandedly outsell
almost everything released for the xbox and gamecube combined for the
next 3-4 months.

Jason

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This thought just came to mind.  Toyota out sells Porsche too, but
what car's on more peoples background computer wallpaper!

PS - It's not the Matrix and the model number probably starts with the
number 9!!

:-)
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: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:16:00 -0300, "PositiveG"
:
: >In terms of all three consoles, only XBox will have this game, that's
: >somewhat exclusive.
:
: Gotcha.  I usually don't think of games that come out for a console
: and PC as exclusive, that's all.
:
: Still, PS2 has GTA:VC which I would expect to singlehandedly outsell
: almost everything released for the xbox and gamecube combined for the
: next 3-4 months.
:
: Jason
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Ooo..I remember playing the original, arcade 'Ninja Gaiden' back in my
youth, except it was called 'Shadow Warriors' here in Australia.  Sure, it
was rip-off of Double Dragon but it played very nicely.. : )

I played 'GTAIII' on the PC and I thought it was bog-average.  I much
preferred 'Driver.'  It's all about marketing, and Sony are the undisputed
kings of that.  They're capable of convincing Eskimos that they need
air-conditioners! - especially ***age Eskimos ; )