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by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:35:04

> > So while young Kimi may have made an opportunistic move on the outside
> > of the (as usual) slow off the line Ferrari

> Still nobody notices that Rubens' "poor start" managed to get him up
> alongside Ralf into T1...

Hardly "alongside", he managed to get his RF up to Ralf's LR or
thereabouts, Ralf *really* messed up his start, but it's not just
Barrichello who does slow starts, MS does them as well, clearly the
Ferrari's are not the class of the field when it comes to getting off
the line

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by **Edgecrushe** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:36:21

Rubens made a poor start on the racing line where the *** was, Ralf made a poor start on the dirty side, thats how he got to
Ralfs rear.

If Rubens didnt make a poor start, why was Kimi (who was 2 spots behind him) alongside so quick?

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> Still nobody notices that Rubens' "poor start" managed to get him up
> alongside Ralf into T1...

by **Ronald Stoeh** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:40:44

>>So, I guess they're just not going to throw the red flag this year for a
>>start-line crash...? This is at LEAST the second one where most people would
>>think it was warranted...

>>Eldred

> Wonder if it had been done differently if MS had been involved.....

Oh boy, those black helicopters are circling again...

l8er
ronny

by **Mike Beaucham** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:47:56

Racing line comes into play right at the start??

Barachello's launch was weak as hell, Kimi would have been clean past him by
the corner seeing how fast he was going. That's a proper move in my book..

Mike
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> > > I saw the incident as Raikonens fault. He was on the outside
approaching
> a
> > > fairly severe right hander in a lot of traffic. He could have given
way
> but
> > > he decided to cut across Barrichelo. First corners are a lottery and
not
> > > everyone is going to get the perfect start, so Raikonen should have
> allowed
> > > for this.

> > Surely you jest ?

> Nope.
> Was he on the outside ? Did he have the racing line ? Don't think so,
> Mr.Larson.
> If this had happened at one of the infamous Rascar events, we wouldn't
hear
> the last of it.

by **Ped Xin** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:01:59

How about this pic:

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,6865166%
255E12173,00.html

If that tire flew free and hit Rubens...

by **Eldre** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:06:07

>Have you heard of Michael Schumacher?

>Hes done it at least twice.:)

Yeah, and so did Senna, if you look at it that way...
<g>

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by **alex** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:34:48

I doubt anybody races with the intention to wreck others,
but Barichello probably wasn't planning to concede any
ground to the rivals. If he was in the title chase himself he
would more likely opted for caution and conceded position.

by **Stephen F** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:35:23

Senna did, and admitted it. Many others have, but have not admitted it.

Stephen

by **Eldre** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 21:21:59

Yeah, I'd forgotten about that at the time, but mentioned it later.

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by **Larr** » Thu, 07 Aug 2003 01:23:05

I missed the original message on this, but I don't think Barachello was the
instigator of that Lap 1 incident. It look like Ralf Shoemaker was the
culprit, right?

Whoever it was, it was damned messy!

-Larry

> > >But I certainly don't go along with the cynical opinion that
Barrichello
> was
> > >out to wreck the others.

> > I don't either - I was just joking... I don't think *anyone* would
> purposly
> > wreck someone in open-wheel cars. Too dangerous, even if you were so
> > inclined...

> Senna did, and admitted it. Many others have, but have not admitted it.

> Stephen

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 07 Aug 2003 03:09:08

Ralf did indeed move over into Ruebens who flinched then held his line.
But by then all three cars were too close and Ralf hit Ruebens who hit
Kimi. Yes you can say Ralf started it...but I would be really suprised if
he even knew Kimi was there too. Ralf was defending against Ruebens who,
I'm sure Ralf thought, had plenty of room to give way. Unfortunately he
didn't.

dave henrie

by **Nick** » Thu, 07 Aug 2003 05:35:32

made a poor start on the dirty side, thats how he got to
him) alongside so quick?

Because Kimi made a great start. I'm not saying Rubens made a great start,
just that his start was better than Ralfs'.

by **Nick** » Thu, 07 Aug 2003 05:36:29

> > Still nobody notices that Rubens' "poor start" managed to get him up
> > alongside Ralf into T1...

> Hardly "alongside", he managed to get his RF up to Ralf's LR or
> thereabouts,

That's what alongside means. Alongside means that if one guy moves over,
they will make contact, as Ralf proved...

by **Goy Larse** » Thu, 07 Aug 2003 06:49:32

> > > Still nobody notices that Rubens' "poor start" managed to get him up
> > > alongside Ralf into T1...

> > Hardly "alongside", he managed to get his RF up to Ralf's LR or
> > thereabouts,

> That's what alongside means. Alongside means that if one guy moves over,
> they will make contact, as Ralf proved...

Well according to my dictionary it means either so I'm not going to
argue this one, guess I put a slightly different meaning into
"alongside" than you do

Synonyms: apace with, beside, by, close by, equal with, next to,
parallel to

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by **Larr** » Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:54:40

The Ferarri's are not known for their Launch Control. This was discussed at
length during that race.

-Larry

> > Rubens made a poor start on the racing line where the *** was, Ralf
> made a poor start on the dirty side, thats how he got to
> > Ralfs rear.

> > If Rubens didnt make a poor start, why was Kimi (who was 2 spots behind
> him) alongside so quick?

> Because Kimi made a great start. I'm not saying Rubens made a great start,
> just that his start was better than Ralfs'.

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