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by **Goy Larse** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:08:19

> I agree with Goy(gasp!) Kimi was attacking but had not even begun to
> brake yet. Ralf's move into Ruebens started the whole schmozzle(thankyou
> Mr Hobbs) Ralf had plenty of room to his right. Ruebens, due to the poor
> getaway of the Ferrari was trapped and Kimi was the unfortunate 3rd victim
> of the shunt.
> If all three had continued straight through normal aproach, braking and
> turn-in. Ralf, Ruebens and Kimi would have probably emerged in that order.
> Kimi 'may' have had a shot at completing the pass on Ruebens during the
> exit of the corner.
> dave henrie

And then again I might be wrong......:-)

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by **Edgecrushe** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:59:48

Yes. If its on the grass or in the gravel then hes allowed to restart. If its on the circuit hes not allowed to restart.

If thats the rule then drivers will attempt to get off the track hoping for a red flag for debris or another car on the track so
they can make the restart. Thats much more preferable than drivers stopping on the racing line on purpose.

--

Steve

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Guvnor.

> That might be a-bit tough to enforce evenly. Say if a car was hit and
> crashed and bounced off armco to stay on the track..through no fault of his
> own the driver of the hit car does not get to restart?

> dave henrie

by **J. Zac** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:36:56

> Personally, I got sick of seeing crazy moves off the starting line and then
> watching everybody run back to the spare cars. Clean starts are part of the
> skill of racing.

Agreed. Although there's something to be said for track position
obviously. BUT you can't win on lap 1. Same thing I tell people who
race N2003 online.

I think Rubens got screwed. RS pinched him and Kimi was passing on the
outside. Rubens couldn't really do anything. I'd say RS pushed out too
far on the turn. Bad move on his part and he screwed himself too. Kimi?
got to give it too him for being agressive on the start but it cost him
big time on this deal.

-jzach

by **alex** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 13:00:20

>> Nope.
>> Was he on the outside ? Did he have the racing line ? Don't think so,
>> Mr.Larson.
>> If this had happened at one of the infamous Rascar events, we wouldn't
>> hear the last of it.

> Now look here Clyde, Kimi didn't turn in, Ralf drifted outwards to get
> a better entry into the corner, he hit Barichello who in turn hit Kimi
> who got turned sideways and hit Ralf

> So while young Kimi may have made an opportunistic move on the outside
> of the (as usual) slow off the line Ferrari, he didn't actually hit
> anyone and held his line, the one starting the chain reaction was Ralf
> and the one who had the best chance of preventing it from going pear
> shaped was Barichello as he was in the rear as well as in the middle
> and had a decent view of what was about to happen

I think Goy has said it just right. Kimi might have seen it
coming, but he did the best he could by continuing his expected
line on the edge of the track. Trying to slow down would more likely
cause the punt from behind than not. It's unlikely Ralf knew what
was going on behind him, so he just took normal line leaving room
for one car on the outside just in case (mental note to myself:
leave room for 2 cars in the "just in case" case ;>).
Barichello was the only one who saw what was going to happen and
could avoid it.

Alex.

by **Edgecrushe** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:46:45

> Agreed. Although there's something to be said for track position
> obviously. BUT you can't win on lap 1

In F1 you can, dont you wathc any races?

. Same thing I tell people who

He could have lifted, he only just had his front wheel alongside Ralfs rear wheel.

--

Steve

"They say a glass of wine makes you live longer but there's a drawback with that, the French drink it""

Guvnor.

by **Edgecrushe** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:49:58

And avoid taking out Schumacher nearest rivals? C'mon, everyone should know thats not going to happen.

--

Steve

"They say a glass of wine makes you live longer but there's a drawback with that, the French drink it""

Guvnor.

> Barichello was the only one who saw what was going to happen and
> could avoid it.

> Alex.

by **Eldre** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:58:57

You think he got a bonus for that? :-)

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by **redTe** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:38:40

It must have been the angle I was watching it at, then ;) I was sure that
Kimi made the turn in too fast and hit Barrichello.
But I certainly don't go along with the cynical opinion that Barrichello was
out to wreck the others.

by **Haqsa** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 01:17:50

Barrichello was definitely the victim this time. It's true in the strictest
technical sense that if he had backed off the whole thing could have been
avoided, but it happened so fast that I don't think it was humanly possible
to back off quickly enough to avoid the problem.

by **Eldre** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 01:33:22

I don't either - I was just joking... I don't think *anyone* would purposly
wreck someone in open-wheel cars. Too dangerous, even if you were so
inclined...

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by **redTe** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 02:22:30

I wasn't referring to you. A couple of others who seem a little more
serious made comments.

by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 02:34:08

> It must have been the angle I was watching it at, then ;) I was sure that
> Kimi made the turn in too fast and hit Barrichello.
> But I certainly don't go along with the cynical opinion that Barrichello was
> out to wreck the others.

Neither do I, even if I wouldn't be surprised if Jean Todt was smiling
from ear to ear, neither do I actually blame Berrichello for what
happened, I'm just saying that of the 3, he was the one who had the best
opportunity to prevent it from happening

I also happen to think that punishing Ralf by relegating him 10 spots in
the next GP is silly

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by **Edgecrushe** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 02:43:10

Have you heard of Michael Schumacher?

Hes done it at least twice.:)

--

Steve

"They say a glass of wine makes you live longer but there's a drawback with that, the French drink it""

Guvnor.

> I don't either - I was just joking... I don't think *anyone* would purposly
> wreck someone in open-wheel cars. Too dangerous, even if you were so
> inclined...

by **Nick** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 02:59:35

Still nobody notices that Rubens' "poor start" managed to get him up
alongside Ralf into T1...

by **redTe** » Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:24:42

Answer to your question ......Is he the guy who has set the standard in F1
for the past 10 years ? Then, yes.I know who you mean.

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