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John Wallac

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by John Wallac » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 05:00:49


Schumacher survived...
It was in Germany...
Kimi was out....

(Or am I just being cynical?)

John

John Wallac

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by John Wallac » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 05:02:44



Actually you can.

The rules do not explicity say you can't take the penalty AFTER the
race finished (which is clearly NOT a penalty), but for sure that's
what the intent of the law was.

John

John Wallac

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by John Wallac » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 05:04:12

On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:04:43 GMT, "Damien Smith"


>Red flags only come out if it's physically impossible to clear the track -
>for (at least to me) *obvious* reasons.

Did you see how much carbon fibre was on the track? Also with Ralf
taking out two of the title contendors with some pretty amateurish
driving, it's really tough on Kimi and Rubens.

The only saving grace was that Michael didn't score too many points,
which saved it from being too *** them.

John Wallac

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by John Wallac » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 05:05:36



Well, MS didn't stop, and he stuck DC off the track at T2 right
afterwards..

The main problem in F1 is the carbon fibre shards, which are really
difficult to clear, and make punctures a lottery

John Wallac

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by John Wallac » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 05:07:52


I remember Senna doing that in Canada a few years back. They couldn't
get his car off the track, so had to red flag the session, which meant
he could get towed back to the pits. There was quite a body of
evidence among the marshalls suggesting he had his foot on the brake
the whole time....

:-)

John

redTe

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by redTe » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 05:12:16

I saw the incident as Raikonens fault. He was on the outside approaching a
fairly severe right hander in a lot of traffic. He could have given way but
he decided to cut across Barrichelo. First corners are a lottery and not
everyone is going to get the perfect start, so Raikonen should have allowed
for this.
Is this what dive bombing is ;)  ?

Nick

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by Nick » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 05:19:56




> >   The reason there was no red flag today was simple.  Nobody had
Schumi's
> >prescense of mind to STOP in the middle of the racetrack.  Since all the
> >cars had spun clear of the racing surface...no redflag was needed.  If
any
> >of the partially wounded cars had stopped...then the red flag would have
> >flown.  (refer to Hockenheim two or three years ago)

> Well, MS didn't stop, and he stuck DC off the track at T2 right
> afterwards..

He got out the car, and walked back to the pits with Burti actually. Then
when he heard that the race had been red flagged, he ran to the spare car.
You can't make T2 at Hockenheim with no rear wheels, buddy.
Nick

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by Nick » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 05:20:53



> >So, I guess they're just not going to throw the red flag this year for a
> >start-line crash...?  This is at LEAST the second one where most people
would
> >think it was warranted...

> Schumacher survived...
> It was in Germany...
> Kimi was out....

> (Or am I just being cynical?)

No. (Or am I just being cynical?)
Edgecrushe

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by Edgecrushe » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 05:51:17

I think they should have a rule that if a driver brings out a red flag due to his car being on the track, he is not allowed to
restart.

--

Steve

"They say a glass of wine makes you live longer but there's a drawback with that, the French drink it""

Guvnor.


> I remember Senna doing that in Canada a few years back. They couldn't
> get his car off the track, so had to red flag the session, which meant
> he could get towed back to the pits. There was quite a body of
> evidence among the marshalls suggesting he had his foot on the brake
> the whole time....

> :-)

> John

3dO

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by 3dO » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 06:05:00


the penalty would be given in an added time difference after the race
finnishes in a case where the penalty would not be taken
but this didn't happen, that's what i meant.
you can't blame him for the fact that that time was not added to his
racetime
that is a fia / marchal f*ckup (big one if you ask me)

3dO

Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 06:09:40


> I saw the incident as Raikonens fault. He was on the outside approaching a
> fairly severe right hander in a lot of traffic. He could have given way but
> he decided to cut across Barrichelo. First corners are a lottery and not
> everyone is going to get the perfect start, so Raikonen should have allowed
> for this.

Surely you jest ?

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

redTe

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by redTe » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 06:19:23



> > I saw the incident as Raikonens fault. He was on the outside approaching
a
> > fairly severe right hander in a lot of traffic. He could have given way
but
> > he decided to cut across Barrichelo. First corners are a lottery and not
> > everyone is going to get the perfect start, so Raikonen should have
allowed
> > for this.

> Surely you jest ?

Nope.
 Was he on the outside ? Did he have the racing line ? Don't think so,
Mr.Larson.
If this had happened at one of the infamous Rascar events, we wouldn't hear
the last of it.
Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 06:33:34


> Nope.
>  Was he on the outside ? Did he have the racing line ? Don't think so,
> Mr.Larson.
> If this had happened at one of the infamous Rascar events, we wouldn't hear
> the last of it.

Now look here Clyde, Kimi didn't turn in, Ralf drifted outwards to get a
better entry into the corner, he hit Barichello who in turn hit Kimi who
got turned sideways and hit Ralf

So while young Kimi may have made an opportunistic move on the outside
of the (as usual) slow off the line Ferrari, he didn't actually hit
anyone and held his line, the one starting the chain reaction was Ralf
and the one who had the best chance of preventing it from going pear
shaped was Barichello as he was in the rear as well as in the middle and
had a decent view of what was about to happen

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 07:04:52



  That might be a-bit tough to enforce evenly.  Say if a car was hit and
crashed and bounced off armco to stay on the track..through no fault of his
own the driver of the hit car does not get to restart?  

dave henrie

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 07:10:09




>> Nope.
>>  Was he on the outside ? Did he have the racing line ? Don't think
>>  so,
>> Mr.Larson.
>> If this had happened at one of the infamous Rascar events, we
>> wouldn't hear the last of it.

> Now look here Clyde, Kimi didn't turn in, Ralf drifted outwards to get
> a better entry into the corner, he hit Barichello who in turn hit Kimi
> who got turned sideways and hit Ralf

> So while young Kimi may have made an opportunistic move on the outside
> of the (as usual) slow off the line Ferrari, he didn't actually hit
> anyone and held his line, the one starting the chain reaction was Ralf
> and the one who had the best chance of preventing it from going pear
> shaped was Barichello as he was in the rear as well as in the middle
> and had a decent view of what was about to happen

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

  I agree with Goy(gasp!)  Kimi was attacking but had not even begun to
brake yet.  Ralf's move into Ruebens started the whole schmozzle(thankyou
Mr Hobbs)  Ralf had plenty of room to his right.  Ruebens, due to the poor
getaway of the Ferrari was trapped and Kimi was the unfortunate 3rd victim
of the shunt.  
  If all three had continued straight through normal aproach, braking and
turn-in.  Ralf, Ruebens and Kimi would have probably emerged in that order.  
Kimi 'may' have had a shot at completing the pass on Ruebens during the
exit of the corner.
dave henrie

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