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I've been pricing custom built systems for Intel 450 versus AMD 400 and my
Intel bid is about $ 1800  vs. $ 1500 (or less) for AMD with Voodoo II
card,speakers, AGP slot, 64k ram and everything else the same also.

FWIW, I'm running N2 (on ten only ) N99, CART, GPL ( Not very well though),
NHRA DR, Burnout, F1RS,  Castrol GP, Motoracer, and every demo on anything
else.

Is AMD worth the price decrease? I've always stayed with Intel before !
Right now, I'm running a HP P166mmx with 32 mb  ram, Diamond Voodoo card.

Any opinions on which way to go? ? ?

-Tim A. Deatherage

"Admitted Sim ***"

I'm builing it myself, so if you can do it yourself you can save a ton of
money.

-The Rodster

I just got a Celeron 300A/ABIT BH6 combo with 64 meg of PC100 and an ATX
case all for $473.00, I think this is a decent price to go from 208 mhz
to 450 :).

Trev

Trev

Framerates don't lie, and they're IDENTICAL on these two machines.
with identical setups. The Celeron may or may NOT overclock well.
With the extra cash you have to spend on the ABIT motherboard
its cheaper to buy a K6. And just as fast for games.

My 02 cents..

-Richard
---Who has WAY too many computers at home

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   Tell me please, what area wouldnt I get the same performance?
 I was not an AMD fan till I bought this K6-2 cpu. but I'll tell you, for the
money its DARN good. yes the celeron 300a is also good from what I understand,
but let me ask this, had it not been for the 300a, or the "a" series celerons,
would you all still be paying 500+ dollars for the "genuine" P2's,so you could
run at 450? or would you have considered a much less expensive AMD processor?

T

"Gunner"

SNIP

I know this was a slip but:

Turbo 100 mhz=103*4.5= ca 464 mhz
112*4.5=504 mhz

My C300A runs totally stable at 464 mhz at 1.9 volts. For 504 mhz I have to
increase voltage to 2.1.

Regards K.S. Br?nnick

SNIP

Then you have different experiences than me.

A posting in this newsgroup described the following scenario:

K6-2350, 128 mb ram, CL V2 12  mb
With ALL graphics settings maximized in GPL (Max detail bias, all graphics
features, and all details , also full mirrors. In others words, everything
was on.) and 19 AI opponents he got 7.5 fps at the last place of the grid at
the start at Monaco.

My "old" 350 PII got about 14.8 with identical specs (CL V2 12 mb, 128 mb
ram).

This is almost double speed pr. mhz.

Are you stretching the truth a bit? Please report your numbers and lets see
if your K6 333 is twice as fast as a K6-2 350.

K.S. Br?nnick

 I just wanted to post yet another success story and give a hearty
THANKS to this group for all the advice and annecdotes that made my OC
venture a success.

Four days ago I got the following:

Abit BH6
Celeron 300a SL32A Retail Box, Malaysia
128MB clone PC100 SDRAM
ATI All-in-Wonder Pro AGP2X (wanted video capture and PC2TV)
Sound Blaster PCI 128 (wanted a good sound card for voice recognition)
Quantum 12.7GB UDMA2 5400 rpm 9.5ms (5400 instead of 7200 for quiet
operation)
Cheap clone case ($80CDN = $55US)
Creative (Panasonic 588) 32X IDE CD (mutli-read capable for CD-RW
compatibility)
Old Intel Pro/10 ISA network card (had it lying around)
Old Adaptec 1542B (yes 'B'... (had it lying around), good for future
flatbed scanner/CD-RW/Tape drive usage)
NT 4.0, SP4
Paperport Strobe Parallel sheet-fed scanner

First night, I stuck in an old 600MB IDE drive as my 12.7 was still in
transit.  The ABit and 300a booted right away at 300MHz.  I
immediately choose the default "user defined" setting in Softmenu II
which was conveniently set up for 100MHz FSB, 4.5x clock (gee, is Abit
making the BH6 specifically for us 300a overclockers?!), and with in a
minute it was running at 450MHz.  I didn't even need to change the
voltage from the default 2.00v.

I had chosen the retail box version of the 300a for the following
reasons:  3 year warranty, better quality fan than most OEM versions.

I put in a 2nd case fan on the front of the case in the space provided
for it.

All is running fine.

You will note that I'm running NT as I find it much more stable than
95/98.  Also, NT is a bit more demanding on hardware
(CPU/motherboard/cache/ram) than 95/98 and so it was nice to see it
all running without a hitch.

A note for those intending to run NT on IDE drives bigger than 8GB.
The NT install will only see an 8057GB drive when you run the install.
Don't panic.  Create a partition of 4096GB or less and install NT on
it.  Patch the install to SP3 or greater.  Run disk administrator.
You should now see the rest of the disk as available space.  Partition
it the way you like and assign the drive letters to what you want.
Myself, for my 12.7GB Quantum, I created a 3GB C: for the OS and
incidentals, a 3GB D: for applications, and a 6GB E: for data.  To get
the D: and E: drive letters, I first had to unassign the D: that was
given to my CD.  Then I assigned D: and E: to the new partitions (I
used primary instead of extended) and finally assigned J: to my CD.

I intend to use my PC for business use and not home/hobby/games and so
I was a bit concerned about reliability.  You guys here in this
newsgroup and a couple of great OC websites helped me come to the
conclusion that the 300a/450 overclock would be a stable one.  As I
need max reliability, I'm not going to push for 112/464.  I'm not even
going to do the 2.5% turbo.  I'm very happy with this free performance
boost that makes my computer amongst the fastest that Intel makes (not
counting SMP machines).

A comment about heat.  I have seen some of you recommend quite
strongly about cooling.  After running the system for hours, I didn't
notice my retail box 300a getting hot at all.  Further, I felt the
back of the CPU and while it was quite warm to the touch, it didn't
burn my fingers.  So I'm am curious to know why some of you are
running these 'double sandwich' heatsink and fan combos.  It sure
doesn't seem to need it, even at 450.  ...and because I'm a freak
about quietness, I'm even thinking of removing that 2nd case fan I
installed, preferring to let convection cool the system by leaving
open any slots I'm not using and letting only the power supply fan
draw the cool air in and the warm air out the top of the case.
(Probably not though, because the cheap power supply in this cheap
case probably has a cheap fan that will fail in about a year or so and
the 2nd case fan could keep things somewhat cool if I don't notice).

Whats wrong with a Celeron 300A running at 450MHz? Cheaper too...

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