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AMD 400 vs Intel PII 450

Ed Medli

AMD 400 vs Intel PII 450

by Ed Medli » Sun, 20 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Agreed......I know many AMD owners who have spent a lot of time with new
generation video card issues, and AGP/USB probs. And, for example, the Asus
P2B mb will support up to 133mhz bus speeds, which will make it compatible
with the next generation of Intel chips, up to 550, and maybe even higher.
It is mainly a personal decision, and a financial one. The only reason I
went the Intel route myself is the problems with socket-7 compatability with
some hardware. As far as which is better, I have no comment, other than the
benchmarks we have all seen. The AMDs are cheaper for a fact, but always
said to be "almost as fast" as the P2 counterparts. The Celeron-A is also a
good choice for those comfortable overclocking. Most get 450 easy, and some
claim over 500. I am not sure about the latter being as stable as some say,
but it very well could be.

Ed Medli

AMD 400 vs Intel PII 450

by Ed Medli » Sun, 20 Dec 1998 04:00:00


>On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:13:49 -0800, "Tim Deatherage"

>>Ok Gurus,

>>I've been pricing custom built systems for Intel 450 versus AMD 400 and my
>>Intel bid is about $ 1800  vs. $ 1500 (or less) for AMD with Voodoo II
>>card,speakers, AGP slot, 64k ram and everything else the same also.

>>FWIW, I'm running N2 (on ten only ) N99, CART, GPL ( Not very well
though),
>>NHRA DR, Burnout, F1RS,  Castrol GP, Motoracer, and every demo on anything
>>else.

>>Is AMD worth the price decrease? I've always stayed with Intel before !
>>Right now, I'm running a HP P166mmx with 32 mb  ram, Diamond Voodoo card.

>>Any opinions on which way to go? ? ?

>>-Tim A. Deatherage

>>"Admitted Sim ***"

Another option is the P2-400, which will bring you down to the AMD price
range, with little performance hit. If you take a look at the majority of
benchmarks, there is little diff. between the 400 and 450, and the price is
the biggest hit. The P2-400 outperforms the AMD in every benchmark I have
seen. You won't have any compatibilty issues to contend with either.
Uwe Schuerka

AMD 400 vs Intel PII 450

by Uwe Schuerka » Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:00:00



>I intend to use my PC for business use and not home/hobby/games and so
>I was a bit concerned about reliability.  You guys here in this

Strange you chose NT for an OS then... Linux is the way to go if
you expect reliability and stability in daily operation.

Cheers,

Uwe

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Antoine Renaul

AMD 400 vs Intel PII 450

by Antoine Renaul » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Hey guys,

Lately I've seen some adapters for fitting other CPU's in Slot 1
motherboards.  Has anyone heard of an adapter that would fit an AMD
CPU in a Slot 1 motherboard?


won't do 450) and I'm thinking about switching to AMD technology if
they release affordable, fast (500?  600?) and reliable CPUs for 1999.

Thought about the K-7 too, but that would require a new motherboard
because of their new Slot A.  Anyway, has anyone thought about
switching to AMD without changing their Slot 1 motherboard?  Is this
possible?

A. Renault

Chath

AMD 400 vs Intel PII 450

by Chath » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00


>Hey guys,

>Lately I've seen some adapters for fitting other CPU's in Slot 1
>motherboards.  Has anyone heard of an adapter that would fit an AMD
>CPU in a Slot 1 motherboard?


>won't do 450) and I'm thinking about switching to AMD technology if
>they release affordable, fast (500?  600?) and reliable CPUs for 1999.

>Thought about the K-7 too, but that would require a new motherboard
>because of their new Slot A.  Anyway, has anyone thought about
>switching to AMD without changing their Slot 1 motherboard?  Is this
>possible?

>A. Renault

   Can you post your hardware specs as  I'm very suprised that a C300A won't do 450 Mhz.
   I have mine running at 504 Mhz for over a month now .
XCR6

AMD 400 vs Intel PII 450

by XCR6 » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00


long as
 a untouched P2 450 as long as it is kept cool.>>

  You guys are the ones that keep sayin "you get what you pay for"

<G>

John Walla

AMD 400 vs Intel PII 450

by John Walla » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00





>>I intend to use my PC for business use and not home/hobby/games and so
>>I was a bit concerned about reliability.  You guys here in this

>Strange you chose NT for an OS then... Linux is the way to go if
>you expect reliability and stability in daily operation.

..and don't really want to run too much software.

The only thing worse than an OS "holy war" would be to rehash the CPR
issue all over again. There are hundreds of newsgroups specially
catering for anyone wanting to slag off each other's OS, so let's not
get yet another massive off topic "Y2K" type discussion started.

Cheers!
John

John Walla

AMD 400 vs Intel PII 450

by John Walla » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00


>What is up with this overclocked celery crap.  For those of you that feel the
>need to o/c then go with the celery processor.      But, if you want the cpu to
>last and be fast at the same time, well then AMD 350 or 400 is the way to go.
>AND, it came with built in cache from the start.  Yes, you get what you pay
>for, so don't expect an o/c celery to last as long as a non overclocked amd
>400 or a PII 450 (not overclocked).

Yes, it will only last 10 years as opposed to the 11 years of the real
one. What, you have no intention of keeping it that long? Oh, maybe
then it's better to save yourself hundreds of dollars.

Cheers!
John

ric

AMD 400 vs Intel PII 450

by ric » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00


>so let's not
> get yet another massive off topic "Y2K" type discussion started.

It was off topic ever since you realized you don't know squat about it.
Up until that point, you freely participated by offering your 'expert'
opinion.

Serve yourself. After all, no one else will!

<ggg>

Rick

Antoine Renaul

AMD 400 vs Intel PII 450

by Antoine Renaul » Wed, 23 Dec 1998 04:00:00



>   Can you post your hardware specs as  I'm very suprised that a C300A won't do 450 Mhz.
>   I have mine running at 504 Mhz for over a month now .

Celeron 300A
ASUS P2B
64 MB SDRAM 8 ns
State of the art CPU cooler and heatsink ;o)  (Don't know the brand
but I've been told it's a good one from someone who runs his C300A at
450 MHz with a much smaller heatsink - Anyway my CPU wasn't hot when I
touched it after trying 450 MHz)

When I tried overclocking to 450 MHz, the system did its normal
boot-up sequence, and then it froze just as it usually displays
"Starting up Windows 98" (or something like that...).

I think there's all the info you need, but if you need more, here they
are:

2 Quantum Fireball HD
Hercules Thriller 3D AGP 8 MB
Canopus Pure 3D 6 MB
SB16

Thanks for any help!

A. Renault

Chath

AMD 400 vs Intel PII 450

by Chath » Wed, 23 Dec 1998 04:00:00




>>   Can you post your hardware specs as  I'm very suprised that a C300A won't do 450 Mhz.
>>   I have mine running at 504 Mhz for over a month now .

>Celeron 300A
>ASUS P2B
>64 MB SDRAM 8 ns
>State of the art CPU cooler and heatsink ;o)  (Don't know the brand
>but I've been told it's a good one from someone who runs his C300A at
>450 MHz with a much smaller heatsink - Anyway my CPU wasn't hot when I
>touched it after trying 450 MHz)

>When I tried overclocking to 450 MHz, the system did its normal
>boot-up sequence, and then it froze just as it usually displays
>"Starting up Windows 98" (or something like that...).

>I think there's all the info you need, but if you need more, here they
>are:

>2 Quantum Fireball HD
>Hercules Thriller 3D AGP 8 MB
>Canopus Pure 3D 6 MB
>SB16

>Thanks for any help!

>A. Renault

  You need to bump up your CPU core voltage from standard 2.0v which the C300A runs at.
  This is very easily accomplished with an Abit BH or BX motherboard SoftMenu2 in
  the BIOS/CMOS which I have.
  I bumped my CPU core voltage from 2.0v to 2.3v to get complete stability at 504 Mhz.
  If I tried to run at 504 Mhz with 2.2v I would get exactly same problem as you have.

  Anyway,  your C300A will run at 450 Mhz and above if you are willing to tape some
  pins on the C300A to bump up the voltage, you need to do this because your mobo
  doesn't have Softmenu core voltage regulator in BIOS/CMOS.
  By the look of things you only need to  bump up voltage  from 2.0v to 2.1 or 2.2 at most.
  Intel do not recommend going over 2.3v  but overclockers have taken C300A up to 2.5v
  with good cooling without any side effects.

  There is a excellent article here http://www.bunt.com/~jcoon/celeron/voltage1.htm
  with great diagrams on how to tape or nail polish C300A pins to bump up the voltage.

  I've heard that nail polish can be used in lieu of tape and works better.

  Also, you can go to the newsgroups  alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus or
  alt.comp.hardware.overclocking  and post any problems you are having.

  I'm 99.9% certain your C300A will run 450 Mhz and above if you tape or nail polish the
  C300a pins to increase voltage.

  Life would have been much simpler if you bought the Abit BX or BH  motherboard...

  Let me know if you need any more help........Chatham

  PS
  There is also a article on Tom's Hardware about what is best material to use
  to insulate the C300A pins........Snip

 I have read your section on isolating the B21 lead on the Pentium II cartridge.  Suggestions
you have listed are: nail polish, electrician's tape, anti-corona dope" high-voltage
insulating paint, model airplane paint, or splicing tape for analog recording cassettes.  I
hesitate to use any of these methods because the constituent materials were not specifically
designed for this type of use.  Nail polish and model airplane tape may have small
capacitances due to their dielectric behavior thereby creating an unstable electrical joint.  
Insulating paints, on the other hand, may have abrasive surfaces that will eventually wear
down the Slot 1 mating connectors.  In addition, thermal cycling and pressure may cause the
interface between paints or nail polish and the B21 lead to fracture, causing flaking of the
material.  This result could be a short between neighboring leads.

While none of these problems have yet been observed, I have a simple and cheap solution that
may eliminate all these potential issues.  The answer?  Teflon tape.  Teflon is a unique
material that has an extremely low friction constant, excellent dielectric strength (no
leakage current), and is resilient to temperature fluctuations.  In tape form, Teflon is
relatively soft and can be easily stretched with ones hands.  The smooth, soft surface
eliminates abrasive problems and will conform to the B21 lead/Slot 1 contact.  The tape can
be applied and removed very easily unlike nail polish or paint.  The operating temperature of
Teflon is roughly -100 F to + 500 F (-70 C to + 260 C) so thermal cycling should not pose a
problem.  For an example of Teflon's use in isolating electrical components, one need look no
further than Granite Digital (www.scsipro.com), a premier SCSI cable supplier.  Their cabling
is considered the best by many and uses Teflon instead of the standard PVC.

from  http://www.tomshardware.com/Celeronto100.html

John Walla

AMD 400 vs Intel PII 450

by John Walla » Wed, 23 Dec 1998 04:00:00



>It was off topic ever since you realized you don't know squat about it.

Rick, it was off-topic, period. You remain blissfully unaware of this
fact, obviously not being overly weighed down with the burdens of
intelligence. Your endless gibbering on about Y2K has nothing to do
with saving people and being a good samaritan by offering your
knowledge to the world, simply that you've found an audience who will
listen. If you want to do good for the workd you should go post
elsewhere, since this particular newsgroup is NOT LISTENING TO YOU. I
think you owe it to the rest of humanity to sod off to a high traffic
group like rec.sports.soccer and try and save them.

No, I simply pointed out one or two of the many flaws in yours. I gave
up eventually since it lacked challenge and was keeping a dead
discussion going.

Should this be "save" or are we discussing some kind of buffet now?

Go away Rick...

Cheers!
John

Nathan Wo

AMD 400 vs Intel PII 450

by Nathan Wo » Thu, 24 Dec 1998 04:00:00


>What is up with this overclocked celery crap.  For those of you that feel the
>need to o/c then go with the celery processor.      But, if you want the cpu to
>last and be fast at the same time, well then AMD 350 or 400 is the way to go.
>AND, it came with built in cache from the start.  Yes, you get what you pay
>for, so don't expect an o/c celery to last as long as a non overclocked amd
>400 or a PII 450 (not overclocked).  Celery is only good for one thing =)
>Fortunetly, AMD has already done that with 68% of the 1,500 dollar PC MARKET.
>GO AMD GO!!!

You're just annoyed because we're running faster for cheaper.
So what if my CPU only lasts 5 years instead of 10 or 15?
What makes you think any gamer is going to keep a CPU longer than
about 2 years (at the maximum!). If you want to be trudging along at
450 in ten years time, then buy your P2 or AMD K6-2. We'll all be
happily *** at 4X that by then.


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