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What was Indy 500 like?

Pete

What was Indy 500 like?

by Pete » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 06:05:22


    Your answer to question number one is wrong! The correct answer is one.

By the way I have some of the same Papyrus stickers that the driver ran. I'm
amazed
you missed the obvious answer. Papyrus also had stickers on some cars that
didn't
run in the cup races.

If you want to know who wrote what manuals I suggest you ask Steve Smith.

Not that I'm Papyrus' number one fan but you have also been wrong on a
couple of
other posts. After spending time at their shop and seeing things first hand
plus talking
with employees I did get a bit of an insight into what was going on.

I'm not interested in a pissing match because whats the point in *** a
dead horse.
When I came to the conclusion that Papy was dead in the water I was verbally
pummeled
for expressing that view.  The writing was on the wall many years before it
happened.

Pete

JP

What was Indy 500 like?

by JP » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 06:46:21




> >   LaBonte writing the manual for N2(if even true) has nothing to do with
> > being involved with *Nascar*.  He's a driver, not the series management.

> >   Tell me, how many races, cars, etc. over the years did you see Papy
> > stickers on ?  Now, how many had EA stickers ?

> >   Hint:  answer to question number one is zero.

>     Your answer to question number one is wrong! The correct answer is

one.

     I know of those stickers......and they weren't even fender contigency
sponsorships(which EA has done for approx. half or more of the field for
years)
 Papy just did in-car camera shot buys.

  I'm not the least bit interested actually.

Not that I'm Papyrus' number one fan but you have also been wrong on a
couple of  other posts.

  K.  How so ?

After spending time at their shop and seeing things first hand
plus talking
with employees I did get a bit of an insight into what was going on.

I'm not interested in a pissing match because whats the point in *** a
dead horse.
When I came to the conclusion that Papy was dead in the water I was verbally
pummeled
for expressing that view.  The writing was on the wall many years before it
happened.

  Yep.

Bill Bollinge

What was Indy 500 like?

by Bill Bollinge » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 21:00:54

You do realize this is for the consoles?


William Bradsha

What was Indy 500 like?

by William Bradsha » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 21:39:17


> I believe it was Bobby Labonte that practically WROTE the manuals for Nascar
> Racing 2.

Actually, according to the credits in the manual Bobby was credited for
"Technical Racing Advice", and given a mention in the Special Thanks
section. Steve Vandergriff is responsible for the fine manual, which I
still read to this day! :)

But I agree that without his track and setup tips, the manual would've
been pretty run-of-the-mill.

-Will

JP

What was Indy 500 like?

by JP » Mon, 02 Aug 2004 07:47:43

  I doubt it.


> You do realize this is for the consoles?



> > You keep that faith :>) You'll need to hang on to that faith for
> > a long long time !

> > This will be part of EA's all new quality Sim as you call it !

> > For the bitter losers, players can take their disputes off the track in
> > post-race confrontations, including opportunities to settle disputes
> > with NASCAR stars by racing cars through city streets.

> > NASCAR 2005: Chase for the Cup is slated for release August 31st, 2004.

JP

What was Indy 500 like?

by JP » Mon, 02 Aug 2004 07:48:32



> > I believe it was Bobby Labonte that practically WROTE the manuals for
Nascar
> > Racing 2.

> Actually, according to the credits in the manual Bobby was credited for
> "Technical Racing Advice", and given a mention in the Special Thanks
> section. Steve Vandergriff is responsible for the fine manual, which I
> still read to this day! :)

> But I agree that without his track and setup tips, the manual would've
> been pretty run-of-the-mill.

> -Will

  <g>
David Butter

What was Indy 500 like?

by David Butter » Mon, 02 Aug 2004 08:07:01


here on 30 Jul 2004:


>> I still have a Dragon 32. :)

> Sorry to hear that, David, you must have missed out on the great
> OS that was OS/9 (and only ran on the 64 model I believe).

<snip>

Heh, well, even my Dragon ownership only dates from around 1996,
though I did know about OS/9, and a very impressive achievement it
was too. My general retro preference is for the BBC Micro, though - I
have a Model B+ - basically a B with the disk controller and Shadow
RAM as standard, the latter meaning an end to the chronic memory
problems that any serious graphics programming produced on the
original machine. One of these days I may even learn 6502 assembly
properly! (The Beeb had an inline assembler capability you could use
from within BASIC programs.) Oops, I must restrain myself before I
really start to go on about the BBC. ;P

In the 1980s I had a ZX81 and then an Amstrad PCW. The latter was
marketed as a word-processor, but ran CP/M Plus, which to people like
me was far more interesting thanks to the great heap of CP/M software
around that was given a new life in the mid-late 1980s by the PCW's
success. Not that I was all that good a programmer, but my experience
there has meant that I don't run away screaming at the very sight of
a command line. ;)

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Pete

What was Indy 500 like?

by Pete » Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:55:07


    You never mentioned contingencies. :-) They did give some money to one
lower division car but I have forgotten his name.

    On how decisions were made and who made them. The "guy" at the
top made the decisions. One look in the parking lot told me who was calling
the shots. The staff turnover of key people started very early in their
history.
    If you don't pay people they don't stay.

    Pete

JP

What was Indy 500 like?

by JP » Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:16:50




> >   LaBonte writing the manual for N2(if even true) has nothing to do with
> > being involved with *Nascar*.  He's a driver, not the series management.

> >   Tell me, how many races, cars, etc. over the years did you see Papy
> > stickers on ?  Now, how many had EA stickers ?

> >   Hint:  answer to question number one is zero.

>     Your answer to question number one is wrong! The correct answer is
one.

> By the way I have some of the same Papyrus stickers that the driver ran.
I'm
> amazed
> you missed the obvious answer. Papyrus also had stickers on some cars that
> didn't
> run in the cup races.

 I know of those stickers......and they weren't even fender contigency
sponsorships(which EA has done for approx. half or more of the field for
years)
 Papy just did in-car camera shot buys.

  Not interested in the least actually.

  k.  How so ?

 After spending time at their shop and seeing things first hand

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JP

What was Indy 500 like?

by JP » Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:22:06




> >      I know of those stickers......and they weren't even fender
contigency
> > sponsorships(which EA has done for approx. half or more of the field for
> > years)
> >  Papy just did in-car camera shot buys.

>     You never mentioned contingencies. :-) They did give some money to one
> lower division car but I have forgotten his name.

   <shrug>  I said sponsor cars, and contigency sponsorships are one of the
most common forms.   Common knowledge.  And even though its a lower level
sponsorship, compared to an entire sponsorship, i.e., its way more than
anything Sierra/Papy ever did, including their ONE time, iirc, camera shots.

  Don't follow what you're even talking about here; Papy ?  Examples ?   I'm
wrong in how decisions were made, is that what you mean ? .......though I
don't recall stating anything about "how decisions were made"....

JP

What was Indy 500 like?

by JP » Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:27:30




> >      I know of those stickers......and they weren't even fender
contigency
> > sponsorships(which EA has done for approx. half or more of the field for
> > years)
> >  Papy just did in-car camera shot buys.

>     You never mentioned contingencies. :-) They did give some money to one
> lower division car but I have forgotten his name.

  Looking back at the thread, I did say stickers, so I can see the confusion
there.  Stickers = sponsorship is what was meant by that.   Car camera shots
aren't that <g>

  But I can see how it would be confusing.

  Anyway, the point is, EA spent WAY more money, over WAY more time, on
Nascar than Sierra/Papy ever did.   Thats Sierra/Papys fault; they made that
choice too.

Larr

What was Indy 500 like?

by Larr » Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:16:52

Hey, I meant the RACING aspects of it, not the Political.

-Larry


JP

What was Indy 500 like?

by JP » Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:18:19

   Racing aspects ?  They still have that in Na$car ?  <g>

> Hey, I meant the RACING aspects of it, not the Political.

> -Larry



> >   LaBonte writing the manual for N2(if even true) has nothing to do with
> > being involved with *Nascar*.  He's a driver, not the series management.

Larr

What was Indy 500 like?

by Larr » Thu, 05 Aug 2004 02:22:31

Good point...

-Larry


>    Racing aspects ?  They still have that in Na$car ?  <g>




> > Hey, I meant the RACING aspects of it, not the Political.

> > -Larry



> > >   LaBonte writing the manual for N2(if even true) has nothing to do
with
> > > being involved with *Nascar*.  He's a driver, not the series
management.

Uwe Sch??rkam

What was Indy 500 like?

by Uwe Sch??rkam » Thu, 05 Aug 2004 03:45:56


The BBC was my "dream machine" of its day, but those were even harder
to come by in Germany than the Dragon 64 (which was the first computer
I *owned*, not the first to hack on, just to clear things up). I
scooped up the Dragon 64 for a meagre 500DM (half of the price tag for
a new machine) from the local bank when they switched their computer
lab to microchannel machines, I believe (yep, they ran Dragon's before
that, if only for educational purposes ;-)

The first machines I had physical access to were a Genie 16 and a TRS
80 at our local school (early 80's, I think), followed by a ZX/81 with
a whopping 16kb of RAM and a real keyboard at a friend's
place... <slap> must stop pining for the good ole days </slap ;->

cheers,

uwe

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