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What was Indy 500 like?

Ruud Dingeman

What was Indy 500 like?

by Ruud Dingeman » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:37:56


> You sound like the kind of Computer Museum I can only dream about.  If
> you'll pay the postage, I'll donate my CP/M-powered Otrona Attache, the
> finest "luggable" ever designed!  Deal?

That's a very fine offer Steve, thank you! Unfortunately, apart from me
being just about totally skint again atm, I don't have the room anymore
for CP/M boxen of such largesse (as you can probably imagine).

I needed to cut back on collecting anyway, and am now concentrating more
on those rare-gem finds and old accessories like cartridges and ROM
cards etc (anybody got one of those Apple II emulation cards for the LC
Macintosh? Or a Commodore Max? Totally rare in Europe, dudes...)

Regards, Rudy
-----------------
GPLRank: -22

PS. As a side note, the finest portables in the early age came from
Epson, like the HX-20 (first 'laptop' ever in 1982) and most notably the
PX-8 (do look this up on Google Images - it's the FINEST laptop of the
era, excellent design and manufacturing... and Epson STILL provides
support for these little 8-bitters on its website, believe it or not.)
Forgot to mention I have a couple of these too and feel almost ashamed
since they be truly great. Probably the only CP/M machines where CP/M
was actually in ROM. To run Wordstar you put a second (EP)ROM in and
voila. Not to mention that the HX-20 even had a little printer built-in (!).

TDRacin

What was Indy 500 like?

by TDRacin » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:17:51

In terms of NASCAR sims, it fell.  Will not be one until at least when EA's
contract is up.  Fortunately NASCAR isn't the only form of racing out there,
and with the papy group still around to produce some sims, the future
certainly looks bright.





EA
> > got blamed for the
> > > situation, and instead of being pesimistic/end of an era, I'm looking
> > > forward to the future of Nascar sims.

> > What future?  lol          <rolls eyes>

>     One way to look at it <shrug>  Not one to subscribe to the "sky is
> falling" mindset myself.

Stephen F

What was Indy 500 like?

by Stephen F » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:12:10


One of the things GP4 does really well is the clean up after a big wreck.
The cars stay where they landed until the marshalls have time to run out and
flag the wreck, then start to clean up. It's quite immersive to come around
the corner and see the little polygon marshalls running to the wrecked cars
and pushing them to the side.  The only thing not modelled is the actual
cranes in motion to pluck the cars into the air from the sidelines, although
they do magically levitate once the marshalls have pushed them to the side.

Jan Verschuere

What was Indy 500 like?

by Jan Verschuere » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:39:29

Actually, you should be using the numpad keys. The control layout is shown
when in the pits.

PC version supports only two-axis, two button joystick, I think.

X-axis is steering, button 1 accellerator, button 2 brake and, when stopped,
Y- (pulling back on the stick) engages reverse.

Via dosbox it even recognises my wheel in "combined axis" mode, though it's
not very comfortable to use the paddles for gas/brake either, I have to say.
Definately easier to make the turns, though.

Jan.
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Steve Smit

What was Indy 500 like?

by Steve Smit » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:49:06

Didn't Epson offer the widely-scorned "Valdocs" ("valuable documents," get
it) OS?  I actually thought that had some merit.

The finest DOS word processor ever, IMO, was the Leading Edge of the
mid-80s.  Blisteringly fast, even w/o a cursor.  And relentlessly logical.
I wrote 2 books on it.  Unfortunately, it couldn't convert/output text into
any other format, so the ***y manuscripts had to be re-keyed.



> > You sound like the kind of Computer Museum I can only dream about.  If
> > you'll pay the postage, I'll donate my CP/M-powered Otrona Attache, the
> > finest "luggable" ever designed!  Deal?

> That's a very fine offer Steve, thank you! Unfortunately, apart from me
> being just about totally skint again atm, I don't have the room anymore
> for CP/M boxen of such largesse (as you can probably imagine).

> I needed to cut back on collecting anyway, and am now concentrating more
> on those rare-gem finds and old accessories like cartridges and ROM
> cards etc (anybody got one of those Apple II emulation cards for the LC
> Macintosh? Or a Commodore Max? Totally rare in Europe, dudes...)

> Regards, Rudy
> -----------------
> GPLRank: -22

> PS. As a side note, the finest portables in the early age came from
> Epson, like the HX-20 (first 'laptop' ever in 1982) and most notably the
> PX-8 (do look this up on Google Images - it's the FINEST laptop of the
> era, excellent design and manufacturing... and Epson STILL provides
> support for these little 8-bitters on its website, believe it or not.)
> Forgot to mention I have a couple of these too and feel almost ashamed
> since they be truly great. Probably the only CP/M machines where CP/M
> was actually in ROM. To run Wordstar you put a second (EP)ROM in and
> voila. Not to mention that the HX-20 even had a little printer built-in
(!).

> >>Heck, that's nothing.

> >>Beside my old Amiga 1000, I still have the A3000 (and a copy of Indy 500
> >>to run on it).

> >>And a couple of VAXen and Indy's.

Malc

What was Indy 500 like?

by Malc » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:53:28


I guess you can appreciate that if one is to blame Papy/Sierra/Vivendi
management it would be because one thinks they either messed up & lost
the NASCAR license, or decided it wasn't financially worth*** on
to.

The flip side of this is that EA may well have believed that in losing
their F1 license to Sony they needed another 'big brand' license and so
'poached' the NASCAR license from Papy by simply throwing money at
NASCAR until they sold out. In this way EA would not only gain a
potentially valuable license, they would also damage the only other
serious competitor in that area, which it certainly did.

Whether the NASCAR license is an adequate replacement for the F1 one is
debatable, but it's got to be better for EA than no license at all for
any major form of motorsport, hence the justification for believing
Papy's demise to be 'EA's fault'.

Malc.

Darf

What was Indy 500 like?

by Darf » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:27:32

That explains why I never found it.... I never went in the Pits :-)

Darf


JM

What was Indy 500 like?

by JM » Sat, 31 Jul 2004 04:18:15


The hilarious irony isn't about blame, it's that:

If EA didn't exist, papyrus may never have got properly started.

and

If EA didn't exist, papyrus may still be going today.

It's just funny, there's no need to be such a fanboy about it.

cheers
John

JP

What was Indy 500 like?

by JP » Sat, 31 Jul 2004 06:35:15



> >   Already answered your question; it was amusing that EA was being
> >   blamed,
> > and I wanted to hear the "logic" behind that.

> >   And no, I don't see any reasoning behind people blaming EA.

> The hilarious irony isn't about blame, it's that:

> If EA didn't exist, papyrus may never have got properly started.

> and

> If EA didn't exist, papyrus may still be going today.

> It's just funny, there's no need to be such a fanboy about it.

> cheers
> John

  Fanboy ?  lol, thats rich, coming from this ng.
JP

What was Indy 500 like?

by JP » Sat, 31 Jul 2004 06:36:57

  <shrug>  We'll see.  I have complete faith, that a quality Nascar sim is
still possible, without Papy and with EA.


> In terms of NASCAR sims, it fell.  Will not be one until at least when
EA's
> contract is up.  Fortunately NASCAR isn't the only form of racing out
there,
> and with the papy group still around to produce some sims, the future
> certainly looks bright.






> EA
> > > got blamed for the
> > > > situation, and instead of being pesimistic/end of an era, I'm
looking
> > > > forward to the future of Nascar sims.

> > > What future?  lol          <rolls eyes>

> >     One way to look at it <shrug>  Not one to subscribe to the "sky is
> > falling" mindset myself.

JP

What was Indy 500 like?

by JP » Sat, 31 Jul 2004 06:42:41




> >   Already answered your question; it was amusing that EA was being
> blamed,
> > and I wanted to hear the "logic" behind that.

> >   And no, I don't see any reasoning behind people blaming EA.

> I guess you can appreciate that if one is to blame Papy/Sierra/Vivendi
> management it would be because one thinks they either messed up & lost
> the NASCAR license, or decided it wasn't financially worth*** on
> to.

> The flip side of this is that EA may well have believed that in losing
> their F1 license to Sony they needed another 'big brand' license and so
> 'poached' the NASCAR license from Papy by simply throwing money at
> NASCAR until they sold out. In this way EA would not only gain a
> potentially valuable license, they would also damage the only other
> serious competitor in that area, which it certainly did.

> Whether the NASCAR license is an adequate replacement for the F1 one is
> debatable, but it's got to be better for EA than no license at all for
> any major form of motorsport, hence the justification for believing
> Papy's demise to be 'EA's fault'.

> Malc.

  EA has been "throwing" money(sponsoring races, cars, pr events) at Nascar
for the last few years.  How initiated that, EA or Nascar, who knows.  But
thats part of the point.  Sierra/Papy, etc. could have done the same.  They
chose not to, for whatever reason.  But it was *their* choice.
  Not poaching, when no one is prohibited from doing the same as anyone
else.  Now if being financially "prohibited" from doing so is the reason
Sierra/Papy bowed out, big deal.

  Thats their problem, not EA's.

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JM

What was Indy 500 like?

by JM » Sat, 31 Jul 2004 07:45:27


You want some gravy for that chip on your shoulder?

I don't speak for "this ng", and I have about as many EA titles as I do
Sierra ones.

Have fun whatever you're driving
cheers
John

JP

What was Indy 500 like?

by JP » Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:36:03



> >   Fanboy ?  lol, thats rich, coming from this ng.

> You want some gravy for that chip on your shoulder?

> I don't speak for "this ng", and I have about as many EA titles as I do
> Sierra ones.

> Have fun whatever you're driving
> cheers
> John

  Just responding to your comment buddy.  If I need a chip, I can borrow
yours, eh ?
Malc

What was Indy 500 like?

by Malc » Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:06:17


Of course, but that's not what we're talking about ;-)

You didn't see how EA could be 'blamed' for Papy's demise, now you do.
You don't have to agree with it, and you can argue the toss forever if
you want, we'll never know for sure ;-)

Best to focus on what we do know. Papy is gone & it's the end of an era
in motorsport simulation. Whether they were the best in their field or
not they were ***y good & deserve respect.

On the other hand we now have two things to look forward to. You have
the potential to see EA make something worthwhile out of their NASCAR
license, and the future looks fairly promising for the ex-Papy crew at
the moment.

Not sure the F1 crowd have much to look forward to for the next couple
of years though ;-)

Malc.

Jan Verschuere

What was Indy 500 like?

by Jan Verschuere » Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:18:33

Then again, one might wonder if it's worthwhile to simulate a series that
needs historically significant racetracks torn up in order to create an
overtaking opportunity (cfr. Hockenheim).

Jan.
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